Discussion:
Tom Petty supposedly set to issue a C&D to Bachman
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lab~rat >:-)
2011-06-29 14:06:39 UTC
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Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
went through that with Heart back in 2008.

I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
actually have legal ground to do so?

For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
despite his wrong politics. ;)
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Spinal Kiss
2011-06-29 15:05:10 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:06:39 -0400, "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net>
wrote:

>Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>
>I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>actually have legal ground to do so?
>
>For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>despite his wrong politics. ;)

He was great at SB XLII. icing on the cake that day! I'd think in this
instance that he'd have to have some legal ownership of his song to be
able to legally prohibit Bachman from using the song otherwise it
would be nothing more than a public non-endorsement which for me would
be enough not to use it. Politicians are seedy characters at best, I
know I wouldn't lend my music to any of them.

Of course I always associate "American Girl" with "The Silence of The
Lambs". Good ol' Cathrine Martin getting ready to become Jame Gumb's
next meal ticket... "Say are you about a size 14?"
db
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lab~rat >:-)
2011-06-29 15:28:31 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:05:10 -0400, ***@the.newsgroup
(Spinal Kiss) puked:

>On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:06:39 -0400, "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>>order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>>went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>
>>I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>>themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>>case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>>those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>>label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>>actually have legal ground to do so?
>>
>>For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>>essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>>Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>>despite his wrong politics. ;)
>
>He was great at SB XLII. icing on the cake that day! I'd think in this
>instance that he'd have to have some legal ownership of his song to be
>able to legally prohibit Bachman from using the song otherwise it
>would be nothing more than a public non-endorsement which for me would
>be enough not to use it. Politicians are seedy characters at best, I
>know I wouldn't lend my music to any of them.

If the Bachman campaign paid the ASCAP fees for rights of usage,
wouldn't that take care of any obligation? Seriously, I don't see her
using that song as an endorsement from Petty. If he got up on stage
and performed it with her, well yeah, but playing the opening clip
from it? Not so sure.

IMO, it's Petty lashing out because he doesn't want to be associated
with her. I'm not blaming him, and I'd probably have done the same
thing if Obama used one of my songs on the campaign trail. Of course,
I would have done it totally for publicity and not for any other
reason... ;)

>
>Of course I always associate "American Girl" with "The Silence of The
>Lambs". Good ol' Cathrine Martin getting ready to become Jame Gumb's
>next meal ticket... "Say are you about a size 14?"
>db

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Broncofan
2011-07-01 05:22:55 UTC
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On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:05:10 -0400, ***@the.newsgroup
(Spinal Kiss) wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:06:39 -0400, "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net>
>wrote:
>
>>Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>>order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>>went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>
>>I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>>themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>>case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>>those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>>label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>>actually have legal ground to do so?
>>
>>For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>>essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>>Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>>despite his wrong politics. ;)
>
>He was great at SB XLII. icing on the cake that day! I'd think in this
>instance that he'd have to have some legal ownership of his song to be
>able to legally prohibit Bachman from using the song otherwise it
>would be nothing more than a public non-endorsement which for me would
>be enough not to use it. Politicians are seedy characters at best, I
>know I wouldn't lend my music to any of them.
>
>Of course I always associate "American Girl" with "The Silence of The
>Lambs". Good ol' Cathrine Martin getting ready to become Jame Gumb's
>next meal ticket... "Say are you about a size 14?"
>db



Just play a cover version of it. That way the vocals wouldn't suck so
much.
s***@comcast.net
2011-07-02 07:30:08 UTC
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On Jun 29, 11:05 am, ***@the.newsgroup (Spinal Kiss)
wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:06:39 -0400, "lab~rat  >:-)" <***@cheeze.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> >order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies.  We
> >went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>
> >I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
> >themselves actually dictate how their music is used?  I'm sure it's a
> >case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
> >those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
> >label.  I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
> >actually have legal ground to do so?
>
> >For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
> >essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
> >Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me.  I've always liked TP
> >despite his wrong politics.  ;)
>
> He was great at SB XLII. icing on the cake that day! I'd think in this
> instance that he'd have to have some legal ownership of his song to be
> able to legally prohibit Bachman from using the song otherwise it
> would be nothing more than a public non-endorsement which for me would
> be enough not to use it. Politicians are seedy characters at best, I
> know I wouldn't lend my music to any of them.
>
> Of course I always associate "American Girl" with "The Silence of The
> Lambs". Good ol' Cathrine Martin getting ready to become Jame Gumb's
> next meal ticket... "Say are you about a size 14?"
> db
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It runs for President and it hands the election back to Obama!
It runs for President and it hands the election back to Obama! And
oh, yeah . . . put the fuckin' lotion in the bucket!"
n***@wt.net
2011-07-04 02:22:32 UTC
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On Jul 2, 2:30 am, "***@comcast.net" <***@comcast.net>
wrote:

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>      "It runs for President and it hands the election back to Obama!
> It runs for President and it hands the election back to Obama!  And
> oh, yeah . . . put the fuckin' lotion in the bucket!"

Obama's ass is grass no matter who runs against him.
Bruce Morgen
2011-07-04 02:29:51 UTC
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***@wt.net wrote:

>On Jul 2, 2:30 am, "***@comcast.net" <***@comcast.net>
>wrote:
>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>      "It runs for President and it hands the election back to Obama!
>> It runs for President and it hands the election back to Obama!  And
>> oh, yeah . . . put the fuckin' lotion in the bucket!"
>
>Obama's ass is grass no matter who runs against him.
>
Ah, wishful thinking at
its most typical...
Twibil
2011-07-04 06:05:02 UTC
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On Jul 3, 7:22 pm, ***@wt.net wrote:
>
>
> Obama's ass is grass no matter who runs against him.

So tell us: is it that you don't read the polls or that you think
they're all put out by the liberal Jews who secretly run all the media?
Bruce Morgen
2011-06-29 15:29:32 UTC
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"lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net> wrote:

>Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>
>I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>actually have legal ground to do so?
>
>For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>despite his wrong politics. ;)

Confirmed:

<http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-petty-tells-michele-bachmann-to-stop-playing-american-girl-20110628>

Petty, like Springsteen and
the Wilson sisters, owns his
material and can legally
control its use afaik. The
days of established acts'
original material being
controlled by record labels
or their corporate parents
are pretty much over --
those rights are far too
lucrative (e.g. royalties
from cover versions and
supermarket Muzak) to
negotiate away for a mere
record deal in most such
cases.
steveh99
2011-06-29 21:24:36 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, ***@juno.com
says...
>
> "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net> wrote:
>
> >Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> >order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
> >went through that with Heart back in 2008.
> >
> >I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
> >themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
> >case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
> >those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
> >label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
> >actually have legal ground to do so?
> >
> >For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
> >essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
> >Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
> >despite his wrong politics. ;)
>
> Confirmed:
>
> <http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-petty-tells-michele-bachmann-to-stop-playing-american-girl-20110628>
>
> Petty, like Springsteen and
> the Wilson sisters, owns his
> material and can legally
> control its use afaik. The
> days of established acts'
> original material being
> controlled by record labels
> or their corporate parents
> are pretty much over --
> those rights are far too
> lucrative (e.g. royalties
> from cover versions and
> supermarket Muzak) to
> negotiate away for a mere
> record deal in most such
> cases.

I cant blame them for being pissed. They wrote the songs and should have
a right to say who can use it and who cant.
It doesn't matter what part they're in, people are suppose to have
permission to use someone's personal property and songs fit that
description
steveh99
2011-06-29 21:26:01 UTC
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In article <9bb58$4e0b9823$97d55c56$***@ALLTEL.NET>, steveh99
@windstream.net says...
>
> In article <***@4ax.com>, ***@juno.com
> says...
> >
> > "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net> wrote:
> >
> > >Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> > >order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
> > >went through that with Heart back in 2008.
> > >
> > >I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
> > >themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
> > >case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
> > >those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
> > >label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
> > >actually have legal ground to do so?
> > >
> > >For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
> > >essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
> > >Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
> > >despite his wrong politics. ;)
> >
> > Confirmed:
> >
> > <http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-petty-tells-michele-bachmann-to-stop-playing-american-girl-20110628>
> >
> > Petty, like Springsteen and
> > the Wilson sisters, owns his
> > material and can legally
> > control its use afaik. The
> > days of established acts'
> > original material being
> > controlled by record labels
> > or their corporate parents
> > are pretty much over --
> > those rights are far too
> > lucrative (e.g. royalties
> > from cover versions and
> > supermarket Muzak) to
> > negotiate away for a mere
> > record deal in most such
> > cases.
>
> I cant blame them for being pissed. They wrote the songs and should have
> a right to say who can use it and who cant.
> It doesn't matter what part they're in, people are suppose to have
> permission to use someone's personal property and songs fit that
> description

i meant to say "party" not part
Les Cargill
2011-06-30 02:19:23 UTC
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steveh99 wrote:
> In article<***@4ax.com>, ***@juno.com
<snip>
>
> I cant blame them for being pissed. They wrote the songs and should have
> a right to say who can use it and who cant.

To publish is to make public. No takesey-backseys.

> It doesn't matter what part they're in, people are suppose to have
> permission to use someone's personal property and songs fit that
> description

Nuh uh. Not *once the work is published*.

--
Les Cargill
DGDevin
2011-07-01 21:50:49 UTC
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"Les Cargill" wrote in message news:iugf63$7ei$***@dont-email.me...

> To publish is to make public. No takesey-backseys.

Publishing doesn't mean you lose mechanical copyright, or sync rights.
Petty could absolutely stop Bachmann from using the song in a campaign ad,
he just can't stop her from playing it at her events if she or the venue has
an ASCAP license.
steveh99
2011-07-02 05:40:35 UTC
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In article <***@earthlink.com>,
***@invalid.invalid says...
>
> "Les Cargill" wrote in message news:iugf63$7ei$***@dont-email.me...
>
> > To publish is to make public. No takesey-backseys.
>
> Publishing doesn't mean you lose mechanical copyright, or sync rights.
> Petty could absolutely stop Bachmann from using the song in a campaign ad,
> he just can't stop her from playing it at her events if she or the venue has
> an ASCAP license.

True but if you're Tom Petty, someone people know a hell of a lot more
than they do her, you're gonna create a huge stink where millions of
people jump on your bandwagon!
Broncofan
2011-07-02 20:57:14 UTC
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On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 01:40:35 -0400, steveh99 <***@windstream.net>
wrote:

>In article <***@earthlink.com>,
>***@invalid.invalid says...
>>
>> "Les Cargill" wrote in message news:iugf63$7ei$***@dont-email.me...
>>
>> > To publish is to make public. No takesey-backseys.
>>
>> Publishing doesn't mean you lose mechanical copyright, or sync rights.
>> Petty could absolutely stop Bachmann from using the song in a campaign ad,
>> he just can't stop her from playing it at her events if she or the venue has
>> an ASCAP license.
>
>True but if you're Tom Petty, someone people know a hell of a lot more
>than they do her, you're gonna create a huge stink where millions of
>people jump on your bandwagon!


Oh fuck off you stupid piece of shit. How many more lives must Obummer
destroy before your worthless fucking ass finally sees the light?

You damn ignorant bastard.
steveh99
2011-07-03 08:11:47 UTC
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In article <***@4ax.com>, Broncofan
says...
>
> On Sat, 2 Jul 2011 01:40:35 -0400, steveh99 <***@windstream.net>
> wrote:
>
> >In article <***@earthlink.com>,
> >***@invalid.invalid says...
> >>
> >> "Les Cargill" wrote in message news:iugf63$7ei$***@dont-email.me...
> >>
> >> > To publish is to make public. No takesey-backseys.
> >>
> >> Publishing doesn't mean you lose mechanical copyright, or sync rights.
> >> Petty could absolutely stop Bachmann from using the song in a campaign ad,
> >> he just can't stop her from playing it at her events if she or the venue has
> >> an ASCAP license.
> >
> >True but if you're Tom Petty, someone people know a hell of a lot more
> >than they do her, you're gonna create a huge stink where millions of
> >people jump on your bandwagon!
>
>
> Oh fuck off you stupid piece of shit. How many more lives must Obummer
> destroy before your worthless fucking ass finally sees the light?
>
> You damn ignorant bastard.

What does Obama got to do with Tom Petty dufis?
DGDevin
2011-07-01 21:47:58 UTC
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"steveh99" wrote in message
news:9bb58$4e0b9823$97d55c56$***@ALLTEL.NET...


> I cant blame them for being pissed. They wrote the songs and should have
> a right to say who can use it and who cant.
> It doesn't matter what part they're in, people are suppose to have
> permission to use someone's personal property and songs fit that
> description

A nightclub doesn't need to get Tom Petty's permission if they want to play
one of his songs on their PA or if a band wants to perform the song because
they've bought a performance license from ASCAP and probably BMI as well.
The same thing applies to Bachmann's campaign, if they or the venues for
their rallies have ASCAP licenses then they are covered. It's different if
they want to use the song in a campaign ad, then Petty (or whoever controls
those rights) could say no, but he can't keep them from playing the song on
a sound system if they have an ASCAP license. Some performers have been
able to get politicians to stop using their music by making a public stink,
but clearly Michele Bachmann is someone not easily embarrassed.
steveh99
2011-07-02 05:39:04 UTC
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In article <***@earthlink.com>,
***@invalid.invalid says...
>
> "steveh99" wrote in message
> news:9bb58$4e0b9823$97d55c56$***@ALLTEL.NET...
>
>
> > I cant blame them for being pissed. They wrote the songs and should have
> > a right to say who can use it and who cant.
> > It doesn't matter what part they're in, people are suppose to have
> > permission to use someone's personal property and songs fit that
> > description
>
>
> but clearly Michele Bachmann is someone not easily embarrassed.

She may not be easily embarassed but I am sure that When the two of them
start shouting at the masses most people are going to hear only one
voice, his! She wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off 20,000,000
fans/potential voters
AJ
2011-07-06 17:20:00 UTC
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On Jul 2, 12:39 am, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
> In article <***@earthlink.com>,
> ***@invalid.invalid says...
>
>
>
> > "steveh99"  wrote in message
> >news:9bb58$4e0b9823$97d55c56$***@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> > > I cant blame them for being pissed. They wrote the songs and should have
> > > a right to say who can use it and who cant.
> > > It doesn't matter what part they're in, people are suppose to have
> > > permission to use someone's personal property and songs fit that
> > > description
>
> > but clearly Michele Bachmann is someone not easily embarrassed.
>
> She may not be easily embarassed but I am sure that When the two of them
> start shouting at the masses most people are going to hear only one
> voice, his! She wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off 20,000,000
> fans/potential voters

Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
any political party. His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
more, nothing less.
steveh99
2011-07-06 20:12:25 UTC
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In article <23230c13-2f05-4cc0-899b-
***@y13g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, ***@aol.com
says...
>
> On Jul 2, 12:39 am, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
> > In article <***@earthlink.com>,
> > ***@invalid.invalid says...
> >
> >
> >
> > > "steveh99"  wrote in message
> > >news:9bb58$4e0b9823$97d55c56$***@ALLTEL.NET...
> >
> > > > I cant blame them for being pissed. They wrote the songs and should have
> > > > a right to say who can use it and who cant.
> > > > It doesn't matter what part they're in, people are suppose to have
> > > > permission to use someone's personal property and songs fit that
> > > > description
> >
> > > but clearly Michele Bachmann is someone not easily embarrassed.
> >
> > She may not be easily embarassed but I am sure that When the two of them
> > start shouting at the masses most people are going to hear only one
> > voice, his! She wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off 20,000,000
> > fans/potential voters
>
> Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> any political party. His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> more, nothing less.

that is "losing" and he must be like everyone else that depends on his
name recognition and popularity for his wealth..
I don't listen to Petty or anyone else for that matter because of their
political beliefs.
I dont go to concerts to hear idiots like Ted Nugent belittle other
people because of their political beliefs.
I saw Tom Petty 3-4 years ago in Columbus and not once did he belittle
anyone that didnt share his views, which is the way it SHOULD BE.
I dont listen to music for peoples opinions on politics, religeous, sex
beliefs like you apparently do
notbob
2011-07-06 20:25:58 UTC
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On 2011-07-06, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:

> I dont listen to music for peoples opinions on politics, religeous, sex
> beliefs......

Joan Baez used to pull that crap. I never liked the skank, but my
buddy loved her and came home all pissed off cuz, after driving 30
miles to see her in concert, she wouldn't shut the Hell up and jes
sing her songs. He walked out 1/3rd way through the non-concert.

Ooh-eee, was he pissed! ;)

nb
steveh99
2011-07-06 20:42:02 UTC
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In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@notbob.invalid
says...
>
> On 2011-07-06, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> > I dont listen to music for peoples opinions on politics, religeous, sex
> > beliefs......
>
> Joan Baez used to pull that crap. I never liked the skank, but my
> buddy loved her and came home all pissed off cuz, after driving 30
> miles to see her in concert, she wouldn't shut the Hell up and jes
> sing her songs. He walked out 1/3rd way through the non-concert.
>
> Ooh-eee, was he pissed! ;)
>
> nb

Ted Nugent opened for Kiss in 2000 when I went to see them.I thought he
was cool before then, liked a lot of his old stuff, but he was a total
dick bashing, flaming the president, his cabinet and whoever. I dont pay
good money for concert tickets to go and listen to someone bash and
belittle people for whatever reasons, especially political!
AJ
2011-07-06 21:00:36 UTC
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On Jul 6, 3:42 pm, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
> Ted Nugent opened for Kiss in 2000 when I went to see them.I thought he
> was cool before then, liked a lot of his old stuff, but he was a total
> dick bashing, flaming the president, his cabinet and whoever. I dont pay
> good money for concert tickets to go and listen to someone bash and
> belittle people for whatever reasons, especially political!


You won't pay to hear the truth, but you will kiss the ass of any Dem
for free. Typical liberal.
steveh99
2011-07-06 21:36:48 UTC
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In article <199edb04-9e3f-423e-9941-c8d4f70a71e1
@h17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com>, ***@aol.com says...
>
> On Jul 6, 3:42 pm, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
> > Ted Nugent opened for Kiss in 2000 when I went to see them.I thought he
> > was cool before then, liked a lot of his old stuff, but he was a total
> > dick bashing, flaming the president, his cabinet and whoever. I dont pay
> > good money for concert tickets to go and listen to someone bash and
> > belittle people for whatever reasons, especially political!
>
>
> You won't pay to hear the truth, but you will kiss the ass of any Dem
> for free. Typical liberal.

I dont go to concerts to listen to celebs make asses of themselves, I go
to be entertained!
Leave the polital bs at home where it belongs
83LowRider
2011-07-06 21:05:55 UTC
Permalink
notbob wrote:
> On 2011-07-06, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> I dont listen to music for peoples opinions on politics, religeous,
>> sex beliefs......
>
> Joan Baez used to pull that crap. I never liked the skank, but my
> buddy loved her and came home all pissed off cuz, after driving 30
> miles to see her in concert, she wouldn't shut the Hell up and jes
> sing her songs. He walked out 1/3rd way through the non-concert.
>
> Ooh-eee, was he pissed! ;)

Hands down, worst concert I've ever seen -- Bob Dylan and Joan Baez.
Dylan did not say ONE WORD... no hello, no goodbye... not a single
word to the audience. Baez never shut up. Unfortunately I had made
the trip with someone else so leaving wasn't an option.
lab~rat >:-)
2011-07-07 12:46:11 UTC
Permalink
On 6 Jul 2011 20:25:58 GMT, notbob <***@notbob.invalid> puked:

>On 2011-07-06, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
>
>> I dont listen to music for peoples opinions on politics, religeous, sex
>> beliefs......
>
>Joan Baez used to pull that crap. I never liked the skank, but my
>buddy loved her and came home all pissed off cuz, after driving 30
>miles to see her in concert, she wouldn't shut the Hell up and jes
>sing her songs. He walked out 1/3rd way through the non-concert.
>
>Ooh-eee, was he pissed! ;)
>
>nb

<insert routinely posted U2 rant by lab~rat here>
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
It's that Guy again...
2011-07-07 13:19:55 UTC
Permalink
>>Joan Baez used to pull that crap. I never liked the skank, but my
>>buddy loved her and came home all pissed off cuz, after driving 30
>>miles to see her in concert, she wouldn't shut the Hell up and jes
>>sing her songs. He walked out 1/3rd way through the non-concert.

Remember when Madonna did that film bit in the middle of
her 'concerts' do promote some political or charity thing? I'm
no fan, but when she came to Boston, 10% of the crowd
walked out of the show during those videos. It was all
in the local papers. I wasn't there. Yet if one pays damn
danger $$ to see some 'star' they shouldn't be forced to
sit thru that crap. Fans pay to see the show and hear
the music. Not some rant about personal star's issues.

><insert routinely posted U2 rant by lab~rat here>

>> >>I been away, but am up to a good U2 rant. Never could figure the
>> >>popularity of these no-talent bums.

While I am not a U2 fan, & their music bores me to death, they
DO pay well to have their gear fixed. The Edge pay ed me far
more then I was about to ask for to fix that ripped cloth AC30
in NJ, and he pulled it out of his own pocket. In fact, he asked
a roadie for more then he had in pocket before he handed it
to me. Bono was there and cried: "not earning ya keep?"
to Edge, and we all laughed. No politics involved at all.

JJTj





You know those Kix just keep getting harder to find..
...and Frosted Flakes ain't giving you peace of mind..
You better chow down more Bran cakes, now..
..and get yer ass straight...
lab~rat >:-)
2011-07-07 14:43:32 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 07 Jul 2011 09:19:55 -0400, It's that Guy again...
<***@cash.con> puked:

>
>>>Joan Baez used to pull that crap. I never liked the skank, but my
>>>buddy loved her and came home all pissed off cuz, after driving 30
>>>miles to see her in concert, she wouldn't shut the Hell up and jes
>>>sing her songs. He walked out 1/3rd way through the non-concert.
>
>Remember when Madonna did that film bit in the middle of
>her 'concerts' do promote some political or charity thing? I'm
>no fan, but when she came to Boston, 10% of the crowd
>walked out of the show during those videos. It was all
>in the local papers. I wasn't there. Yet if one pays damn
>danger $$ to see some 'star' they shouldn't be forced to
>sit thru that crap. Fans pay to see the show and hear
>the music. Not some rant about personal star's issues.

So here goes the cross of music and ideology. Certain performers you
KNOW are gonna be political. Now if you like two or three songs off a
given album and wander in not knowing their bullshit, then you can be
pissed. Write them a letter and ask for your money back.

If you're a die hard fan, you probably dig their ideology and think
that crap is great.

>
>><insert routinely posted U2 rant by lab~rat here>
>
>>> >>I been away, but am up to a good U2 rant. Never could figure the
>>> >>popularity of these no-talent bums.
>
>While I am not a U2 fan, & their music bores me to death, they
>DO pay well to have their gear fixed. The Edge pay ed me far
>more then I was about to ask for to fix that ripped cloth AC30
>in NJ, and he pulled it out of his own pocket. In fact, he asked
>a roadie for more then he had in pocket before he handed it
>to me. Bono was there and cried: "not earning ya keep?"
>to Edge, and we all laughed. No politics involved at all.

Well if you skirted your taxes as much as those guys, you'd be able to
piss away a lot of money as well...

;)
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
AJ
2011-07-06 20:58:58 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 3:12 pm, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
> In article <23230c13-2f05-4cc0-899b-
> ***@y13g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, ***@aol.com
> says...
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 12:39 am, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
> > > In article <***@earthlink.com>,
> > > ***@invalid.invalid says...
>
> > > > "steveh99"  wrote in message
> > > >news:9bb58$4e0b9823$97d55c56$***@ALLTEL.NET...
>
> > > > > I cant blame them for being pissed. They wrote the songs and should have
> > > > > a right to say who can use it and who cant.
> > > > > It doesn't matter what part they're in, people are suppose to have
> > > > > permission to use someone's personal property and songs fit that
> > > > > description
>
> > > > but clearly Michele Bachmann is someone not easily embarrassed.
>
> > > She may not be easily embarassed but I am sure that When the two of them
> > > start shouting at the masses most people are going to hear only one
> > > voice, his! She wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off 20,000,000
> > > fans/potential voters
>
> > Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> > independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> > from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> > any political party.  His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> > more, nothing less.
>
> that is "losing" and he must be like everyone else that depends on his
> name recognition and popularity for his wealth..
> I don't listen to Petty or anyone else for that matter because of their
> political beliefs.
> I dont go to concerts to hear idiots like Ted Nugent belittle other
> people because of their political beliefs.
> I saw Tom Petty 3-4 years ago in Columbus and not once did he belittle
> anyone that didnt share his views, which is the way it SHOULD BE.
> I dont listen to music for peoples opinions on politics, religeous, sex
> beliefs like you apparently do- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

You should listen to Ted. He makes more sense than Obama or anyother
Dem you kneel to.
steveh99
2011-07-06 21:35:38 UTC
Permalink
In article <b23c2bb6-8905-4c76-9303-
***@m10g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>, ***@aol.com
says...
>
> On Jul 6, 3:12 pm, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
> > In article <23230c13-2f05-4cc0-899b-
> > ***@y13g2000prb.googlegroups.com>, ***@aol.com
> > says...
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 2, 12:39 am, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:
> > > > In article <***@earthlink.com>,
> > > > ***@invalid.invalid says...
> >
> > > > > "steveh99"  wrote in message
> > > > >news:9bb58$4e0b9823$97d55c56$***@ALLTEL.NET...
> >
> > > > > > I cant blame them for being pissed. They wrote the songs and should have
> > > > > > a right to say who can use it and who cant.
> > > > > > It doesn't matter what part they're in, people are suppose to have
> > > > > > permission to use someone's personal property and songs fit that
> > > > > > description
> >
> > > > > but clearly Michele Bachmann is someone not easily embarrassed.
> >
> > > > She may not be easily embarassed but I am sure that When the two of them
> > > > start shouting at the masses most people are going to hear only one
> > > > voice, his! She wouldn't be dumb enough to piss off 20,000,000
> > > > fans/potential voters
> >
> > > Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> > > independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> > > from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> > > any political party.  His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> > > more, nothing less.
> >
> > that is "losing" and he must be like everyone else that depends on his
> > name recognition and popularity for his wealth..
> > I don't listen to Petty or anyone else for that matter because of their
> > political beliefs.
> > I dont go to concerts to hear idiots like Ted Nugent belittle other
> > people because of their political beliefs.
> > I saw Tom Petty 3-4 years ago in Columbus and not once did he belittle
> > anyone that didnt share his views, which is the way it SHOULD BE.
> > I dont listen to music for peoples opinions on politics, religeous, sex
> > beliefs like you apparently do- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You should listen to Ted. He makes more sense than Obama or anyother
> Dem you kneel to.

I have no interest in what Ted Nugent says or believes. The only person
he speaks for is his ownself! Ted Nugent is a legend in his own mind!
Les Cargill
2011-06-30 02:18:06 UTC
Permalink
Bruce Morgen wrote:
> "lab~rat>:-)"<***@cheeze.net> wrote:
>
>> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>
>> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>> those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>> label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>> actually have legal ground to do so?
>>
>> For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>> essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>> Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>> despite his wrong politics. ;)
>
> Confirmed:
>
> <http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-petty-tells-michele-bachmann-to-stop-playing-american-girl-20110628>
>
> Petty, like Springsteen and
> the Wilson sisters, owns his
> material and can legally
> control its use afaik. The
> days of established acts'
> original material being
> controlled by record labels
> or their corporate parents
> are pretty much over --
> those rights are far too
> lucrative (e.g. royalties
> from cover versions and
> supermarket Muzak) to
> negotiate away for a mere
> record deal in most such
> cases.


Now we no longer know what sort of license inspired the C&D. For
plain old mechanical licenses, you send your money to Harry Fox,
and nobody can say nothing. SFAIK, Bachmann used the original
recording, so I am not sure what llicense applies - somebody
said "ASCAP?" and my guess is that ASCAP covers it.

That article is a bleeding mess. They don't know mechanicals
from ASCAP from sync.

I smell a business model - high-quality covers, covered
under mechanical license, just for this purpose.

--
Les Cargill
RichL
2011-06-30 02:17:49 UTC
Permalink
"Les Cargill" <***@comcast.com> wrote in message
news:iugf3n$7ei$***@dont-email.me...
> Bruce Morgen wrote:
>> "lab~rat>:-)"<***@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>>> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>>> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>>
>>> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>>> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>>> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>>> those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>>> label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>>> actually have legal ground to do so?
>>>
>>> For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>>> essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>>> Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>>> despite his wrong politics. ;)
>>
>> Confirmed:
>>
>> <http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-petty-tells-michele-bachmann-to-stop-playing-american-girl-20110628>
>>
>> Petty, like Springsteen and
>> the Wilson sisters, owns his
>> material and can legally
>> control its use afaik. The
>> days of established acts'
>> original material being
>> controlled by record labels
>> or their corporate parents
>> are pretty much over --
>> those rights are far too
>> lucrative (e.g. royalties
>> from cover versions and
>> supermarket Muzak) to
>> negotiate away for a mere
>> record deal in most such
>> cases.
>
>
> Now we no longer know what sort of license inspired the C&D. For
> plain old mechanical licenses, you send your money to Harry Fox,
> and nobody can say nothing. SFAIK, Bachmann used the original
> recording, so I am not sure what llicense applies - somebody
> said "ASCAP?" and my guess is that ASCAP covers it.

Harry Fox acts as an agent for whoever has the rights. In most cases the
approval is automatic once the fee is paid but nothing prevents a given
artist, label, etc. from putting conditions on approval.

The same applies to ASCAP. They're simply intermediaries in the process.

In this case it would be ASCAP (or BMI, as the case may be), as a
performance license would be required, not a mechanical license (which would
be covered by Harry Fox).
Les Cargill
2011-06-30 04:53:42 UTC
Permalink
RichL wrote:
> "Les Cargill" <***@comcast.com> wrote in message
> news:iugf3n$7ei$***@dont-email.me...
>> Bruce Morgen wrote:
>>> "lab~rat>:-)"<***@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>>>> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>>>> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>>>> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>>>> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>>>> those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>>>> label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>>>> actually have legal ground to do so?
>>>>
>>>> For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>>>> essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>>>> Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>>>> despite his wrong politics. ;)
>>>
>>> Confirmed:
>>>
>>> <http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-petty-tells-michele-bachmann-to-stop-playing-american-girl-20110628>
>>>
>>>
>>> Petty, like Springsteen and
>>> the Wilson sisters, owns his
>>> material and can legally
>>> control its use afaik. The
>>> days of established acts'
>>> original material being
>>> controlled by record labels
>>> or their corporate parents
>>> are pretty much over --
>>> those rights are far too
>>> lucrative (e.g. royalties
>>> from cover versions and
>>> supermarket Muzak) to
>>> negotiate away for a mere
>>> record deal in most such
>>> cases.
>>
>>
>> Now we no longer know what sort of license inspired the C&D. For
>> plain old mechanical licenses, you send your money to Harry Fox,
>> and nobody can say nothing. SFAIK, Bachmann used the original
>> recording, so I am not sure what llicense applies - somebody
>> said "ASCAP?" and my guess is that ASCAP covers it.
>
> Harry Fox acts as an agent for whoever has the rights. In most cases the
> approval is automatic once the fee is paid but nothing prevents a given
> artist, label, etc. from putting conditions on approval.
>

Approval is assumed; the C&D gives notice that the artist wishes the
song not be used. I don't know what happens of the recipient of the C&D
simply blows 'em off. I suspect nothing happens unless the
artists escalates legally.

but for political campaigns, they'll stop using it immediately.

> The same applies to ASCAP. They're simply intermediaries in the process.
>
> In this case it would be ASCAP (or BMI, as the case may be), as a
> performance license would be required, not a mechanical license (which
> would be covered by Harry Fox).

People were bring up cases which involved mechanicals, not performance.

--
Les Cargill
lab~rat >:-)
2011-06-30 11:51:40 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:29:32 -0400, Bruce Morgen <***@juno.com>
puked:

>"lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net> wrote:
>
>>Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>>order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>>went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>
>>I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>>themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>>case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>>those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>>label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>>actually have legal ground to do so?
>>
>>For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>>essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>>Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>>despite his wrong politics. ;)
>
>Confirmed:
>
><http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-petty-tells-michele-bachmann-to-stop-playing-american-girl-20110628>
>
>Petty, like Springsteen and
>the Wilson sisters, owns his
>material and can legally
>control its use afaik. The
>days of established acts'
>original material being
>controlled by record labels
>or their corporate parents
>are pretty much over --
>those rights are far too
>lucrative (e.g. royalties
>from cover versions and
>supermarket Muzak) to
>negotiate away for a mere
>record deal in most such
>cases.

Something to consider, that song was released in '77. Unless Petty
negotiated rights to his back catalog and it was successful, it would
have fallen into a time when labels DID control content.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
moonpie
2011-06-30 15:12:21 UTC
Permalink
On Thu, 30 Jun 2011 07:51:40 -0400, "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net>
wrote:

>On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 11:29:32 -0400, Bruce Morgen <***@juno.com>
>puked:
>
>>"lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>>>order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>>>went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>>
>>>I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>>>themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>>>case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>>>those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>>>label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>>>actually have legal ground to do so?
>>>
>>>For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>>>essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>>>Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>>>despite his wrong politics. ;)
>>
>>Confirmed:
>>
>><http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/tom-petty-tells-michele-bachmann-to-stop-playing-american-girl-20110628>
>>
>>Petty, like Springsteen and
>>the Wilson sisters, owns his
>>material and can legally
>>control its use afaik. The
>>days of established acts'
>>original material being
>>controlled by record labels
>>or their corporate parents
>>are pretty much over --
>>those rights are far too
>>lucrative (e.g. royalties
>>from cover versions and
>>supermarket Muzak) to
>>negotiate away for a mere
>>record deal in most such
>>cases.
>
>Something to consider, that song was released in '77. Unless Petty
>negotiated rights to his back catalog and it was successful, it would
>have fallen into a time when labels DID control content.


somewhere, in the dim and distant past, I heard that he, along with
some other very wealthy songwriter-rockers, did do that.
Squier
2011-06-29 17:52:10 UTC
Permalink
> lab~rat >:-) wrote:

> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>
> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
> those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
> label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
> actually have legal ground to do so?
>
> For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
> essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
> Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
> despite his wrong politics. ;)
> --
> lab~rat >:-)

well... hmmm... my rock history lessons has taught me that
Bruce Springsteen successfully had a cease and desist order
carried out on the GOP for using his "Born in the USA" song
at political rallies. He won and the GOP played it no more.
But Springsteen is a card carrying ASCAP member (heh) and he
owns all of his songs - publishing rights, etc and etc.
Come to think of it - without ever playing another gig or
recording anything else - I am sure he could easily live off
the residuals from his song portfolio.

ANyways - sure thing - if the artist owns the rights then
he or she can decide whatever about the song.
The small print though is this: as an artist you can own the
rights to the song - but a label can own the specific publishing right for
a specific recorded version of the song.
So technically you could play and record a song and put it on a CD or album
and the label could own that recorded version of the song. However, you
retain the copyright to the song - you can play it anytime or anywhere but
you lose control of that particular recorded version of the song.

So as an artist you want to try to maintain complete rights to the song
included all 'unique' recorded versions. In a sense you are then using
the label as a contractor to distribute the product and promote it since
the label gets no real big 'backend' profit from it they can be hesitant
about getting into such a situation.

In a lot of cases, big stars (for example in Nashville stables) like
Kenny Chesney own NONE of their songs or publishing rights.
He makes his living through constant tours and a few points on recorded unit sales.
Not a bad way to go though... not bad at all if you hit it big.
But of course he won't even get residuals if he gets songs in heavy rotation
on airwaves.
Desk Rabbit
2011-06-30 08:24:56 UTC
Permalink
On 29/06/2011 18:52, Squier wrote:
>> lab~rat>:-) wrote:
>
>> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>
>> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>> those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>> label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>> actually have legal ground to do so?
>>
>> For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>> essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>> Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>> despite his wrong politics. ;)
>> --
>> lab~rat>:-)
>
> well... hmmm... my rock history lessons has taught me that
> Bruce Springsteen successfully had a cease and desist order
> carried out on the GOP for using his "Born in the USA" song
> at political rallies. He won and the GOP played it no more.
> But Springsteen is a card carrying ASCAP member (heh) and he
> owns all of his songs - publishing rights, etc and etc.
> Come to think of it - without ever playing another gig or
> recording anything else - I am sure he could easily live off
> the residuals from his song portfolio.

As I understand it, royalties *are* the main income for the top guns.
Putting on tours is hugely expensive and not the same as you or I doing
a pub gig. Tours promote sales which in turn generate the royalties.
Les Cargill
2011-06-30 02:12:36 UTC
Permalink
lab~rat >:-) wrote:
> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>
> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
> those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
> label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
> actually have legal ground to do so?
>

For the recording? Yup. For the song itself? No. I am not
sure if a sync license is required for that application. I
doubt it.

Doesn't matter - I've gotten a few C&D's ( not over music,
just as boilerplate for NDA-coverage when I left a job ).
Worth pretty much the paper they are printed on unless they
are the first step in a longer chain.

> For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
> essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
> Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
> despite his wrong politics. ;)
> --
> lab~rat>:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

--
Les Cargill
lab~rat >:-)
2011-06-30 11:55:38 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:12:36 -0700, Les Cargill
<***@comcast.com> puked:

>lab~rat >:-) wrote:
>> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>
>> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>> those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>> label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>> actually have legal ground to do so?
>>
>
>For the recording? Yup. For the song itself? No. I am not
>sure if a sync license is required for that application. I
>doubt it.
>
>Doesn't matter - I've gotten a few C&D's ( not over music,
>just as boilerplate for NDA-coverage when I left a job ).
>Worth pretty much the paper they are printed on unless they
>are the first step in a longer chain.

Ultimately the way I read this is that it's a public request to knock
it off that will probably work. I doubt the Bachman campaign would
like to go into the game with a fight with Tom Petty over 90 seconds
of a 45 year old song.

At the same time, if she told him to bring it, the campaign would be
long over by the time a resolution was met, and it's quite possible he
would walk away with nothing but legal bills.

Does this seem right?
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
Les Cargill
2011-07-01 00:23:42 UTC
Permalink
lab~rat >:-) wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:12:36 -0700, Les Cargill
> <***@comcast.com> puked:
>
>> lab~rat>:-) wrote:
>>> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>>> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>>> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>>
>>> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>>> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>>> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>>> those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>>> label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>>> actually have legal ground to do so?
>>>
>>
>> For the recording? Yup. For the song itself? No. I am not
>> sure if a sync license is required for that application. I
>> doubt it.
>>
>> Doesn't matter - I've gotten a few C&D's ( not over music,
>> just as boilerplate for NDA-coverage when I left a job ).
>> Worth pretty much the paper they are printed on unless they
>> are the first step in a longer chain.
>
> Ultimately the way I read this is that it's a public request to knock
> it off that will probably work. I doubt the Bachman campaign would
> like to go into the game with a fight with Tom Petty over 90 seconds
> of a 45 year old song.
>
> At the same time, if she told him to bring it, the campaign would be
> long over by the time a resolution was met, and it's quite possible he
> would walk away with nothing but legal bills.
>
> Does this seem right?


I think so, but I'm not an attorney.

> --
> lab~rat>:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

--
Les Cargill
Les Cargill
2011-07-01 00:41:48 UTC
Permalink
lab~rat >:-) wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 19:12:36 -0700, Les Cargill
> <***@comcast.com> puked:
>
>> lab~rat>:-) wrote:
>>> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>>> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>>> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>>
>>> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>>> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>>> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>>> those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>>> label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>>> actually have legal ground to do so?
>>>
>>
>> For the recording? Yup. For the song itself? No. I am not
>> sure if a sync license is required for that application. I
>> doubt it.
>>
>> Doesn't matter - I've gotten a few C&D's ( not over music,
>> just as boilerplate for NDA-coverage when I left a job ).
>> Worth pretty much the paper they are printed on unless they
>> are the first step in a longer chain.
>
> Ultimately the way I read this is that it's a public request to knock
> it off that will probably work. I doubt the Bachman campaign would
> like to go into the game with a fight with Tom Petty over 90 seconds
> of a 45 year old song.
>
> At the same time, if she told him to bring it, the campaign would be
> long over by the time a resolution was met, and it's quite possible he
> would walk away with nothing but legal bills.
>
> Does this seem right?

Yeah.

> --
> lab~rat>:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?

--
Les Cargill
Meat Plow
2011-06-30 01:42:03 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:06:39 -0400, lab~rat >:-) wrote:

> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>
> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking those
> songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the label. I
> can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they actually have
> legal ground to do so?
>
> For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
> essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
> Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
> despite his wrong politics. ;)

Didn't the same thing happen with Sarah Palin?



--
Live Fast Die Young, Leave A Pretty Corpse
Alias
2011-06-30 03:54:32 UTC
Permalink
Meat Plow Meat Plow <***@yahoo.com> wrote in
<news:***@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>:

> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:06:39 -0400, lab~rat >:-) wrote:
>
>> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>
>> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>> themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking those
>> songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the label. I
>> can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they actually have
>> legal ground to do so?
>>
>> For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>> essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>> Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>> despite his wrong politics. ;)
>
> Didn't the same thing happen with Sarah Palin?

Shut up, fuckwit.


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WHO IS MEATPLOW from Alt.Usenet.Kooks (AUK)?

The obese, abusive, ugly, snaggle-toothed, gay 'bear' biker retard
who likes to surf gay porn sites as 'BlancoBear' while wearing only
assless chaps:

William Malone Griffith, Jr. (aka Milt, aka MeatPlow, aka BlancoBear)
308 10th Street NE
North Canton, OH 44720-2023

Evidence:
--------------------
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/5650f8e1e7dedefa
Message-ID: <***@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/e52ffbb346f5b764
Message-ID: <***@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/a94a2a11df601e39
Message-ID: <***@rip.ax.lt>

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.electronics.repair/msg/ef80aad2e7db945d
Message-ID: <***@rip.ax.lt>
--------------------

MeatPlow personal info:
--------------------
Birthdate: Oct 3, 1955

Amateur Radio callsign N8NCX
Technician Plus
(2 meter, 6 meter)
--------------------

Photo of MeatPlow in Belden Village Music store:
--------------------
(Note the guitars in the background, the planet-sized head,
the rotten-Chiclet teeth, and general look of retardation)
http://www.productwiki.com/william-malone-griffith-ii/lists/
http://images.productwiki.com/upload/images/william_malone_griffith_ii_avatar_1_0-150-150.jpg

He's got his father's nose and eyes:
http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/kentucky/guestbook.aspx?pid=2527782
http://mi-cache.legacy.com/usercontent/guestbook/photos/2005-09/6966764.jpg
--------------------

MeatPlow email addresses:
--------------------
http://web.archive.org/web/20010305113423/http://www.k1hk.org/ugb_archive3.html
"Bill N8NCX ***@neo.rr.com"

wgriffit at neo.rr.com (neo = North East Ohio)
mhywattt at yahoo.com
mhywatt at yahoo.com
--------------------

MeatPlow admits to being from Ohio:
--------------------
Message-ID: <***@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
Message-ID: <***@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
--------------------

MeatPlow's brushes with the law:
--------------------
1}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/crim/crim_display_docket_main?pass_case_no=11543&pass_case_type=VBD&pass_case_year=2002&pass_first_name=William&pass_last_name=Griffith

2}
http://www.starkcountycjis.org/civil/civil_display_docket_main?case_year_no=2009-3533&litigant_txt=Griffith
--------------------

MeatPlow quotes:
--------------------
Message-ID: <***@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I have no shame here in Usenet."

Message-ID: <***@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I'd bet $200.00 of that Keiser money you still have that you will
leave before me."

Message-ID: <***@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"You know i have a legal team who specializes in internet law. And I
won't hesitate to get them in on the action."

Message-ID: <***@emutt.macspoofer.lmao>
"I haven't changed nor do I plan on it any time in the near future.
And yes I am bullet-proof as I have proved it."

MeatPlow visits a massage parlor for a Happy Ending massage.
But they refused to give him a Happy Ending his second time there.
That explains why he's gay, he can't even PAY for HAND JOBS from
women.
http://www.clreviews.com/forums/showpost.php?p=11679
"One time I got a HE, and the 2nd time I didn't. I was asked if I was
there both times and said I was. That's is why I didn't know if I said
something wrong the 2nd time which made me not get a HE."

Well, at least we know what he does with his weekends.
--------------------


Oh, William, what would yer family say if they learned yer secrets?

Mother:
..----------------------------.
Catherine & Angelo Griffith

4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-494-5785
'----------------------------'


Sister:
..-----------------------------.
Pamela L. & Roger R. Werling
{ son Todd E. Werling }
{ son Chris (Kennesaw, GA) }
{ son Keith }
{ son Easton }
{ son Zakary }
{ daughter Camella }

7704 Bisque Court
Fort Wayne, IN 46825-3501
260-489-6086
'-----------------------------'


Sister:
..----------------------------------------------.
Cheryl J. & Jason 'Sparky' Humberto E. Rivera
{ daughter Christina }
{ daughter Rosalio (North Canton, OH) }
{ daughter Maria (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Len Gray (Ft. Worth, TX) }

5225 Echo Valley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-9702
----------------------------------------------
Belden Village Music
6787 Wales Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720
beldenvillagemusic.com
330-497-9292
----------------------------------------------
Rosalio B & Maria I Rivera
444 Wales Rd. NE
Massillon, OH 44646-5875
330-833-4291
----------------------------------------------
PO Box 35093
Canton, OH 44735
'----------------------------------------------'


Sister:
..---------------------------------------.
Carol L. & Ric A. Campbell
{ son Richard }
{ son Christopher (North Canton, OH) }
{ son Brandon († 30 May 1996) }
{ daughter Erin }

6794 William Tell Ave NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6546
330-497-7980
330-499-5107
---------------------------------------
PO Box 36473
Canton, OH 44735
'---------------------------------------'


Sister:
..----------------------------------.
Christine H. & Shelton M. Vick
{ son Matthew }

3915 Harvard Ave NW
Canton, OH 44709-1538
330-493-5645
----------------------------------
Re/Max Edge Realty
North Canton / Massillon / Canton
Realtor Christine H. Vick

6929 Portage St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-6535
330-236-5100
888-830-6509 (fax)
330-904-0883 (cell)
www.MyOhioHomeFinder.com
***@gmail.com
'----------------------------------'


Sister:
..----------------------------.
Angela C. & Mark Warshefski

11 SE 12th St.
Pompano Beach, FL 33060
954-785-4716
----------------------------
4760 Echovalley St. NW
North Canton, OH 44720-7504
330-942-0584
'----------------------------'


Cousin:
..-------------------------.
Eddy Dailey

Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
-------------------------
Bergholz Financial Corp.
dba SuperMart
PO Box 545
524 Garfield St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------------'


Cousin:
..--------------------.
Donna L. Dailey

524 5th St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2416
--------------------
Bergholz Super Mart
861 Washington St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-1018
--------------------
Bergholz, OH EMT
'--------------------'


Cousin:
..-------------------.
Bill & Joyce Leas
{ son Billy }

243 2nd St.
Bergholz, OH 43908
'-------------------'


Niece:
..---------------------------.
Rachel & Adam T. Livengood
{ son Lukas }
{ daughter Lauren }

6342 Palmer Dr. NW
Canton, OH 44718
330-497-7754
'---------------------------'


Izzatchoo, or yer dead daddy?
..--------------------------------.
William M. Griffith

between 3rd and 4th St.
between Monroe and Lincoln Ave.
Bergholz, OH 43908
740-768-2539
'--------------------------------'


What would yer landlord for 308 10th St. NE,
North Canton, OH say if they learned yer secrets?
..----------------------------.
David S. and Joan R. Shaner

2095 Waterbury Dr.
Uniontown OH 44312
330-699-4042
'----------------------------'


What would the employees at yer family's
business say if they learned yer secrets?
..-----------------------------------------.
Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation
aka Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration (defunct)
aka Ohio Kentucky Coal Company (defunct)

5112 Portage St. NW
Canton, OH 44720-6856
(330) 494-8810
(330) 497-7980
-----------------------------------------
110 E. Lowry Lane
Lexington, KY 40503
(800) BUY 4 OIL
(800) 289-4645
(859) 223-5656
(859) 223-5946
(859) 276-0699 (fax)
(859) 276-3500
(859) 276-4080
-----------------------------------------
http://www.ohiokentuckyoil.com
***@insightbb.com
***@ohiokentuckyoil.net
'-----------------------------------------'


----------
Oh, but wait, Ohio Oil & Gas Exploration is no longer incorporated in
Ohio:
Daddy Griffith's petrol exploration company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:384125

Nor are any of the other businesses yer daddy started. You let them
all fail:
Daddy Griffith's stables (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377966

Daddy Griffith's motel business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:377965

Daddy Griffith's drilling company (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:347837

Daddy Griffith's metals business (defunct):
http://www2.sos.state.oh.us/pls/bsqry/f?p=100:7:3376481605987832::NO:7:P7_CHARTER_NUM:552193

And Ohio Kentucky Oil Corporation is on its last legs, inundated with
securities fraud lawsuits and EPA lawsuits. It's barred from
soliciting investors in Tennessee, it's under investigation in Ohio
and Kentucky, it owns no oil assets or wells, and it no longer does
any of its own drilling. It'll be gone soon, too.

And you've squandered everything Daddy Griffith earned from his
businesses, so yer now poor, adding insult to injury.
----------


You being poor is why you issued the following. You knew you didn't
have ten thousand dollars or so to defend yerself against yet another
lawsuit:

William Malone Griffith, II's grovelfest of an apology for being a
fucktard stauker:
==================================================
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/browse_thread/thread/8d753c94bd612f4e
http://www.freak-search.com/en/thread/3859383/meat_plow_exposed
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.usenet.kooks/msg/c9fccf0d1ab26ace
Message-ID: <***@news.alt.net>

Title: Apology to Charles Novins

The witnesses to this abject, groveling apology:

Angela Griffith = Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski, William Malone
Griffith, Jr.'s sister

Catherine Griffith = William Malone Griffith, Jr.'s mother

Julia M. Griffith = ?

Cheri Griffith = Cheryl J. Griffith-Rivera, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

Justin Griffith = ?

Kristy Griffith = Christine H. Griffith-Vick, William Malone Griffith,
Jr.'s sister

-----

Questions yet to be answered:
Who are Julia M. Griffith and Justin Griffith?

Angela C. Griffith-Warshefski came all the way from Pompano Beach,
Florida to witness and sign MeatPlow's apology letter?

Or did William Malone Griffith, Jr. forge the witness signatures,
which would indicate some level of insincerity in the apology?

If William Malone Griffith, Jr. did indeed forge the witness
signatures, is his family cognizant of him using them in this way?
==================================================

The exit is -.
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thataway
Broncofan
2011-07-01 05:20:58 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:06:39 -0400, "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net>
wrote:

>Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>
>I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>actually have legal ground to do so?
>
>For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>despite his wrong politics. ;)



Tom Petty is a pot smoking stupid piece of shit. fuck that loser. I
wouldn't play his music even to terrorize Momar.
steveh99
2011-07-01 06:02:41 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@4ax.com>, Broncofan
says...
>
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:06:39 -0400, "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> >order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
> >went through that with Heart back in 2008.
> >
> >I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
> >themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
> >case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
> >those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
> >label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
> >actually have legal ground to do so?
> >
> >For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
> >essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
> >Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
> >despite his wrong politics. ;)
>
>
>
> Tom Petty is a pot smoking stupid piece of shit. fuck that loser. I
> wouldn't play his music even to terrorize Momar.


If they dont adhere tour beliefs they are stupid pieces of shit.
Goes to show how narrow minded you really are
steveh99
2011-07-01 06:03:39 UTC
Permalink
In article <a9fd5$4e0d635b$97d5c1bb$***@ALLTEL.NET>, steveh99
@windstream.net says...
>
> In article <***@4ax.com>, Broncofan
> says...
> >
> > On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:06:39 -0400, "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> > >order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
> > >went through that with Heart back in 2008.
> > >
> > >I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
> > >themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
> > >case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
> > >those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
> > >label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
> > >actually have legal ground to do so?
> > >
> > >For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
> > >essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
> > >Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
> > >despite his wrong politics. ;)
> >
> >
> >
> > Tom Petty is a pot smoking stupid piece of shit. fuck that loser. I
> > wouldn't play his music even to terrorize Momar.
>
>
> If they dont adhere tour beliefs they are stupid pieces of shit.
> Goes to show how narrow minded you really are

"adhere to" rather
Broncofan
2011-07-02 20:53:24 UTC
Permalink
On Fri, 1 Jul 2011 02:02:41 -0400, steveh99 <***@windstream.net>
wrote:

>In article <***@4ax.com>, Broncofan
>says...
>>
>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2011 10:06:39 -0400, "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>> >order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>> >went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>> >
>> >I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
>> >themselves actually dictate how their music is used? I'm sure it's a
>> >case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
>> >those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
>> >label. I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
>> >actually have legal ground to do so?
>> >
>> >For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
>> >essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
>> >Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me. I've always liked TP
>> >despite his wrong politics. ;)
>>
>>
>>
>> Tom Petty is a pot smoking stupid piece of shit. fuck that loser. I
>> wouldn't play his music even to terrorize Momar.
>
>
>If they dont adhere tour beliefs they are stupid pieces of shit.
>Goes to show how narrow minded you really are



I had no idea what he thought politically until just now, and I have
thought he was a dope smoking POS for decades.

I think all pot somkers are losers. It has nothing to do with
politics.
dugjustdug
2011-07-01 13:47:21 UTC
Permalink
I thought the licensing only kicks in if there is a commercial
application. A politician doesn't have a profit motivation.

Right?

;-)

On Jun 29, 7:06 am, "lab~rat >:-)" <***@cheeze.net> wrote:
> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies.  We
> went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>
> I don't know if we ever got to the bottom of it, but can the artists
> themselves actually dictate how their music is used?  I'm sure it's a
> case by case basis, but in the case of TP and Heart, I'm thinking
> those songs are owned by the label or the corporation that owns the
> label.  I can see how an artist could protest the use, but do they
> actually have legal ground to do so?
>
> For the record, all the articles I've found relating to this have been
> essentially blogs or gossip columns, although I know Petty supported
> Gore back in 00 and it wouldn't surprise me.  I've always liked TP
> despite his wrong politics.  ;)
> --
> lab~rat  >:-)
> Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
evadnikufesin
2011-07-04 02:18:00 UTC
Permalink
On 2011-06-29 07:06:39 -0700, lab~rat >:-) said:

> Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
> went through that with Heart back in 2008.

Fuck that douchebag. He's a no-talent cunt anyway.


--
"We are living in a gelded age" -- Savage
steveh99
2011-07-04 05:10:43 UTC
Permalink
In article <4e1122d9$0$1651$c3e8da3$***@news.astraweb.com>,
***@invalidgmail.domaincom says...
>
> On 2011-06-29 07:06:39 -0700, lab~rat >:-) said:
>
> > Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
> > order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
> > went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>
> Fuck that douchebag. He's a no-talent cunt anyway.

That no talent cunt is a multi million, net worth of $75,000,000!
Are you?
Didn't think so......
Broncofan
2011-07-04 08:00:16 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 01:10:43 -0400, steveh99 <***@windstream.net>
wrote:

>In article <4e1122d9$0$1651$c3e8da3$***@news.astraweb.com>,
>***@invalidgmail.domaincom says...
>>
>> On 2011-06-29 07:06:39 -0700, lab~rat >:-) said:
>>
>> > Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>> > order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>> > went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>
>> Fuck that douchebag. He's a no-talent cunt anyway.
>
>That no talent cunt is a multi million, net worth of $75,000,000!
>Are you?
>Didn't think so......


Irrelevant. Justin Bieber is worth more than that and has the talent
of dead field mouse.
lab~rat >:-)
2011-07-06 12:21:36 UTC
Permalink
On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 01:10:43 -0400, steveh99 <***@windstream.net>
puked:

>In article <4e1122d9$0$1651$c3e8da3$***@news.astraweb.com>,
>***@invalidgmail.domaincom says...
>>
>> On 2011-06-29 07:06:39 -0700, lab~rat >:-) said:
>>
>> > Here we go again, Tom Petty is supposedly issuing a cease and desist
>> > order to Michele Bachman for using "American Girl" at her rallies. We
>> > went through that with Heart back in 2008.
>>
>> Fuck that douchebag. He's a no-talent cunt anyway.
>
>That no talent cunt is a multi million, net worth of $75,000,000!
>Are you?
>Didn't think so......

Petty is fine. He does pretty good shuffling around four or five
chords and has some good hooks. He might be a douchebag but he's from
Gainesville, kinda a home town hero when I was living there.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
notbob
2011-07-06 14:05:48 UTC
Permalink
On 2011-07-06, lab~rat >:-) <***@cheeze.net> wrote:
>
> Petty is fine. He does pretty good shuffling around four or five
> chords and has some good hooks. He might be a douchebag but he's from
> Gainesville, kinda a home town hero when I was living there.

I've been revisiting TP. As you say, he has great hooks. So good, you
lose sight of the complexity of much of his music. It's very layered,
much like ol' Phil Spector's Wall of Sound. But, it comes off like
simple R&R cuz of them hooks. I don't know much about the man. Why
is he a douchebag?

nb
steveh99
2011-07-06 14:10:09 UTC
Permalink
In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@notbob.invalid
says...
>
> On 2011-07-06, lab~rat >:-) <***@cheeze.net> wrote:
> >
> > Petty is fine. He does pretty good shuffling around four or five
> > chords and has some good hooks. He might be a douchebag but he's from
> > Gainesville, kinda a home town hero when I was living there.
>
> I've been revisiting TP. As you say, he has great hooks. So good, you
> lose sight of the complexity of much of his music. It's very layered,
> much like ol' Phil Spector's Wall of Sound. But, it comes off like
> simple R&R cuz of them hooks. I don't know much about the man. Why
> is he a douchebag?
>
> nb

I like a lot of Petty's stuff. He has had quite a few hits and he was
with the traveling wilbury's
lab~rat >:-)
2011-07-06 15:47:08 UTC
Permalink
On Wed, 6 Jul 2011 10:10:09 -0400, steveh99 <***@windstream.net>
puked:

>In article <***@mid.individual.net>, ***@notbob.invalid
>says...
>>
>> On 2011-07-06, lab~rat >:-) <***@cheeze.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > Petty is fine. He does pretty good shuffling around four or five
>> > chords and has some good hooks. He might be a douchebag but he's from
>> > Gainesville, kinda a home town hero when I was living there.
>>
>> I've been revisiting TP. As you say, he has great hooks. So good, you
>> lose sight of the complexity of much of his music. It's very layered,
>> much like ol' Phil Spector's Wall of Sound. But, it comes off like
>> simple R&R cuz of them hooks. I don't know much about the man. Why
>> is he a douchebag?
>>
>> nb
>
>I like a lot of Petty's stuff. He has had quite a few hits and he was
>with the traveling wilbury's

The TWs were a fun band.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
lab~rat >:-)
2011-07-06 14:15:08 UTC
Permalink
On 6 Jul 2011 14:05:48 GMT, notbob <***@notbob.invalid> puked:

>On 2011-07-06, lab~rat >:-) <***@cheeze.net> wrote:
>>
>> Petty is fine. He does pretty good shuffling around four or five
>> chords and has some good hooks. He might be a douchebag but he's from
>> Gainesville, kinda a home town hero when I was living there.
>
>I've been revisiting TP. As you say, he has great hooks. So good, you
>lose sight of the complexity of much of his music. It's very layered,
>much like ol' Phil Spector's Wall of Sound. But, it comes off like
>simple R&R cuz of them hooks. I don't know much about the man. Why
>is he a douchebag?
>
>nb

I'm not saying he is one, I'm saying he might be one. I don't know
the man.
--
lab~rat >:-)
Do you want polite or do you want sincere?
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-06 18:41:38 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 10:20 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:

> Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> any political party.  His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> more, nothing less.

...or maybe he just thinks Bachmann is a batshit insane doofus. And
he'd be correct.

Also: he could WHAT? His only real concern is WHAT?

El Jefe
AJ
2011-07-06 21:02:36 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 1:41 pm, Busboy Jefe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> ...or maybe he just thinks Bachmann is a batshit insane doofus. And
> he'd be correct.

Another typical liberal tries to belittle another Republican that is
more powerful and educated than you. If she was a Dem, you would
praise her.
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-06 21:06:28 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 2:02 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:

> Another typical liberal tries to belittle another Republican that is
> more powerful and educated than you. If she was a Dem, you would
> praise her.

That shows how little you know about me, and especially how little you
know about her. Turn off Fox and maybe you'll understand more about
why all but the dumbest of people in this country, regardless of
political leanings, think she's a joke.

El Jefe
AJ
2011-07-06 21:12:53 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 4:06 pm, Busboy Jefe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2:02 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > Another typical liberal tries to belittle another Republican that is
> > more powerful and educated than you. If she was a Dem, you would
> > praise her.
>
> That shows how little you know about me, and especially how little you
> know about her. Turn off Fox and maybe you'll understand more about
> why all but the dumbest of people in this country, regardless of
> political leanings, think she's a joke.


Typical liberal. Always belittling any woman. Hell, you guys wouldn't
even vote for Hillary and thought a black muslim foreigner would be a
better President before a woman would. LOL!
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-06 21:35:23 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 2:12 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:

> Typical liberal. Always belittling any woman. Hell, you guys wouldn't
> even vote for Hillary and thought a black muslim foreigner would be a
> better President before a woman would. LOL!

Can you point out where I've belittled "any woman" besides Palin and
Bachmann? Or are those the only women you care about?

You're on a troll roll today, Triple Stack. Looks like business is
booming round those parts..

El Jefe
steveh99
2011-07-06 21:39:18 UTC
Permalink
In article <61a195c5-3987-4a5c-bb0e-8e79757635f5
@t5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com>, ***@aol.com says...
>
> On Jul 6, 1:41 pm, Busboy Jefe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> > ...or maybe he just thinks Bachmann is a batshit insane doofus. And
> > he'd be correct.
>
> Another typical liberal tries to belittle another Republican that is
> more powerful and educated than you. If she was a Dem, you would
> praise her.

I liked her before a week or so ago when she opened her mouth and made a
fool of herself. Saying her and her husband didnt accept Medicaid
payments and that we should do away with it at the same time her husband
is accepting medicaid payments
She is just another lying republican trying to bs her way into the White
House
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-07 02:53:09 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 2:39 pm, steveh99 <***@windstream.net> wrote:

> I liked her before a week or so ago when she opened her mouth and made a
> fool of herself. Saying her and her husband didnt accept Medicaid
> payments and that we should do away with it at the same time her husband
> is accepting medicaid payments
> She is just another lying republican trying to bs her way into the White
> House

I like how she confused John Wayne with John Wayne Gacy.

But seriously, I don't know how you could have ever liked her. She
almost...*almost*...makes Palin tolerable. That's how bad she is.
Another religious kook who has done NOTHING in office (seriously, look
up her history). Cries about the government while having once worked
collecting taxes for the government, not to mention those farm
subsidies. And I love the "no minimum wage will cure unemployment"
thing.

Hey Deep Dish - since you're such a fan of Bachmann, maybe you can
explain her policies for us and how they'll solve problems? Why not
show all of those "typical liberals" your political acumen for once in
your life? But no points for you if all you can come up with is your
usual "Obama messiah liberals LOL!" tripe.

El Jefe,
Waiting for something he knows will never happen...
RichL
2011-07-06 22:35:06 UTC
Permalink
"AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:61a195c5-3987-4a5c-bb0e-***@t5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> On Jul 6, 1:41 pm, Busboy Jefe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>> ...or maybe he just thinks Bachmann is a batshit insane doofus. And
>> he'd be correct.
>
> Another typical liberal tries to belittle another Republican that is
> more powerful and educated than you. If she was a Dem, you would
> praise her.

More powerful? Perhaps. More educated? Nope. Besides, I wouldn't
consider Oral Roberts U. as having one of the nation's top law schools.

If she were a Dem, she wouldn't hold most of the views that she does.
Besides, Reps don't have a monopoly on nutters, although these days they
definitely have an edge in that department :-)
Twibil
2011-07-06 19:01:14 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 10:20 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> any political party.  His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> more, nothing less.

And of course he told you this himself, right?
AJ
2011-07-06 21:13:31 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 2:01 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 10:20 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >  Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> > independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> > from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> > any political party.  His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> > more, nothing less.
>
> And of course he told you this himself, right?

That's how it works.
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-06 21:36:05 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 2:13 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2:01 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 6, 10:20 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >  Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> > > independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> > > from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> > > any political party.  His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> > > more, nothing less.
>
> > And of course he told you this himself, right?
>
> That's how it works.

"Tom Petty" is one of the voices in AJ's head...

El Jefe
Twibil
2011-07-06 23:45:25 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 2:13 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2:01 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 6, 10:20 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > >  Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> > > independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> > > from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> > > any political party.  His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> > > more, nothing less.
>
> > And of course he told you this himself, right?
>
> That's how it works.

Great!

Now cite exactly where and when you were told this, name 3 independant
witnesses who heard those words fall trippingly from his tongue, and
maybe -just *maybe*- everybody here will be able to stop laughing at
you for long enough to appreciate your new jokes.
FVH
2011-07-07 04:35:04 UTC
Permalink
LOL! Even people in alt.gutiar can see AKKK is a fucking moron. Priceless.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

"Twibil" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:38cb8e9a-1b8d-4e82-930e-***@e18g2000vbx.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 6, 2:13 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2:01 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 6, 10:20 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> > > independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> > > from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> > > any political party. His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> > > more, nothing less.
>
> > And of course he told you this himself, right?
>
> That's how it works.

Great!

Now cite exactly where and when you were told this, name 3 independant
witnesses who heard those words fall trippingly from his tongue, and
maybe -just *maybe*- everybody here will be able to stop laughing at
you for long enough to appreciate your new jokes.
AJ
2011-07-07 16:16:46 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 11:35 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
> LOL! Even people in alt.gutiar can see AKKK is a fucking moron. Priceless.


Wow, one guy asked a question and yo'u're jizzing on your screen.
LOL!
FVH
2011-07-07 18:51:07 UTC
Permalink
And WHAT? It's funny when you don't realize when you're being made fun of.
You actually think that guy was asking you a question. LOL! No wonder you
wear the RMAK Dunce Cap over your tin foil hat, Pop n Fresh.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

"AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:df062287-a52e-4412-be7e-***@u2g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 6, 11:35 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
> LOL! Even people in alt.gutiar can see AKKK is a fucking moron. Priceless.


Wow, one guy asked a question and yo'u're jizzing on your screen.
LOL!
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-07 21:10:55 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 7, 9:16 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 11:35 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
>
> > LOL! Even people in alt.gutiar can see AKKK is a fucking moron. Priceless.
>
> Wow, one guy asked a question and yo'u're jizzing on your screen.
> LOL!

Hit nerve noted.

Also: one guy asked a question and WHAT?

El Jefe
AJ
2011-07-07 16:14:38 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 6, 6:45 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 2:13 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 6, 2:01 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 6, 10:20 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > >  Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> > > > independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> > > > from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> > > > any political party.  His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> > > > more, nothing less.
>
> > > And of course he told you this himself, right?
>
> > That's how it works.
>
> Great!
>
> Now cite exactly where and when you were told this, name 3 independant
> witnesses who heard those words fall trippingly from his tongue, and
> maybe  -just *maybe*-  everybody here will be able to stop laughing at
> you for long enough to appreciate your new jokes.

It's just common sense and common business. Again, it's how it works.
Ask yourself why he doesn't want his song being used for free? You'll
come to the same conclusion. If you have common sense or know about
common business interactions.
Twibil
2011-07-07 18:52:04 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 7, 9:14 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 6, 6:45 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 6, 2:13 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 6, 2:01 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 6, 10:20 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > >  Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> > > > > independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> > > > > from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> > > > > any political party.  His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> > > > > more, nothing less.
>
> > > > And of course he told you this himself, right?
>
> > > That's how it works.
>
> > Great!
>
> > Now cite exactly where and when you were told this, name 3 independant
> > witnesses who heard those words fall trippingly from his tongue, and
> > maybe  -just *maybe*-  everybody here will be able to stop laughing at
> > you for long enough to appreciate your new jokes.
>
> It's just common sense and common business.

Oh bullshit. It's only your own unsupported opinion, and nothing
more.

> Again, it's how it works.

I've been a successful working musician for a bit over 50 years now,
and "how it works" is that every musician is different and has
different motivations for their actions. Had you read -and
understood- the posts in this very thread that would have become
evident to you.

Assuming that everyone else in the business will do the same things
you would do under the same circumstances is simply *amazing*
arrogance.
AJ
2011-07-07 20:32:19 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 7, 1:52 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 9:14 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jul 6, 6:45 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 6, 2:13 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 6, 2:01 pm, Twibil <***@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Jul 6, 10:20 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > >  Tom Petty just doesn't want to piss his fans off that are Dems,
> > > > > > independents, or non political. He understands he could loose money
> > > > > > from certain fans that are dumb enough to align him or his music to
> > > > > > any political party.  His only real concern is loosing money. Nothing
> > > > > > more, nothing less.
>
> > > > > And of course he told you this himself, right?
>
> > > > That's how it works.
>
> > > Great!
>
> > > Now cite exactly where and when you were told this, name 3 independant
> > > witnesses who heard those words fall trippingly from his tongue, and
> > > maybe  -just *maybe*-  everybody here will be able to stop laughing at
> > > you for long enough to appreciate your new jokes.
>
> > It's just common sense and common business.
>
> Oh bullshit.  It's only your own unsupported opinion, and nothing
> more.
>
> > Again, it's how it works.
>
> I've been a successful working musician for a bit over 50 years now,
> and "how it works" is that every musician is different and has
> different motivations for their actions. Had you read  -and
> understood-  the posts in this very thread that would have become
> evident to you.
>
> Assuming that everyone else in the business will do the same things
> you would do under the same circumstances is simply *amazing*
> arrogance.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

It's called the music business. Not music for free. It's how it works.
And if you have been a successful working musician for a bit over 50
years now, then you must have gotten paid well to be successful as you
claim. It's how it works. If you're telling the truth, then you're
living proof I'm right.
FVH
2011-07-07 20:47:52 UTC
Permalink
I love how you can't seem to understand what's going on around you, Humpty
Dumpty. That'll happen to an incredibly fat, dumb redneck.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

"AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:196e34f4-45bb-46e6-8b30-***@z7g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
It's called the music business. Not music for free. It's how it works.
And if you have been a successful working musician for a bit over 50
years now, then you must have gotten paid well to be successful as you
claim. It's how it works. If you're telling the truth, then you're living
proof I'm right.
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-07 21:39:42 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 7, 9:14 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:

> It's just common sense and common business. Again, it's how it works.
> Ask yourself why he doesn't want his song being used for free?  You'll
> come to the same conclusion. If you have common sense or know about
> common business interactions.

Maybe you'd like to use your "common sense" about "common business
interactions" to explain to everyone all about your Pure Profit Plan™,
Professor?

"*Again, the pure profit comment that I made was about my used CD's
that I sell
at my store. I pay $3.00 for used CD's and sell them for $8.00 plus
tax. I get
my $3.00 back plus an additional $5.00 on top of that each time one
sells. That
is pure profit.

*Not really. Not on used CDs. I use profits from other sells to pay
overhead
and all other expenses. But hey, I'll give anyone $3.00 all day long
if they
give me back $8.00 plus tax each time. Not to mention, if you own a
business
you can put yourself down as an employee and pay yourself your own
desired wage
and it's legal. So not only am I making a profit from selling used CDs
I'm also
paying myself to sell them back to the customers. When I pay $3.00 for
used
CDs, that comes out of my pocket. Not the store's cash register. And
yes that's
legal. If you sell your own personal items in a yard sale do turn it
in on your
taxes? If you bought a CD and then sold it for twice what you paid for
it on
eBay, do you turn it in on your taxes? No. It's legal and it is pure
profit."

Yes, folks, this is the method devised by AJ which explain how he
amassed his fortune. And all it took was sitting behind a register,
trolling Usenet, and a little bit 'o Pure Profit!

El Jefe
FVH
2011-07-07 23:01:43 UTC
Permalink
Ah yes, the classic "Pure Profit" business plan by RMAK's resident
troll--AKKK. My favorite part of that thread was when someone asked him
about overhead and he SKIRTED around that and continued to babble on about
his "Pure Profit" plan.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

"Busboy Jefe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:9ae85a7a-e802-44a5-b791-***@m18g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 7, 9:14 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:

> It's just common sense and common business. Again, it's how it works.
> Ask yourself why he doesn't want his song being used for free? You'll
> come to the same conclusion. If you have common sense or know about
> common business interactions.

Maybe you'd like to use your "common sense" about "common business
interactions" to explain to everyone all about your Pure Profit Plan™,
Professor?

"*Again, the pure profit comment that I made was about my used CD's
that I sell
at my store. I pay $3.00 for used CD's and sell them for $8.00 plus
tax. I get
my $3.00 back plus an additional $5.00 on top of that each time one
sells. That
is pure profit.

*Not really. Not on used CDs. I use profits from other sells to pay
overhead
and all other expenses. But hey, I'll give anyone $3.00 all day long
if they
give me back $8.00 plus tax each time. Not to mention, if you own a
business
you can put yourself down as an employee and pay yourself your own
desired wage
and it's legal. So not only am I making a profit from selling used CDs
I'm also
paying myself to sell them back to the customers. When I pay $3.00 for
used
CDs, that comes out of my pocket. Not the store's cash register. And
yes that's
legal. If you sell your own personal items in a yard sale do turn it
in on your
taxes? If you bought a CD and then sold it for twice what you paid for
it on
eBay, do you turn it in on your taxes? No. It's legal and it is pure
profit."

Yes, folks, this is the method devised by AJ which explain how he
amassed his fortune. And all it took was sitting behind a register,
trolling Usenet, and a little bit 'o Pure Profit!

El Jefe
AJ
2011-07-08 18:27:30 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 7, 4:39 pm, Busboy Jefe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 7, 9:14 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > It's just common sense and common business. Again, it's how it works.
> > Ask yourself why he doesn't want his song being used for free?  You'll
> > come to the same conclusion. If you have common sense or know about
> > common business interactions.
>
> Maybe you'd like to use your "common sense" about "common business
> interactions" to explain to everyone all about your Pure Profit Plan™,
> Professor?
>
> "*Again, the pure profit comment that I made was about my used CD's
> that I sell
> at my store. I pay $3.00 for used CD's and sell them for $8.00 plus
> tax. I get
> my $3.00 back plus an additional $5.00 on top of that each time one
> sells. That
> is pure profit.
>
> *Not really. Not on used CDs. I use profits from other sells to pay
> overhead
> and all other expenses. But hey, I'll give anyone $3.00 all day long
> if they
> give me back $8.00 plus tax each time. Not to mention, if you own a
> business
> you can put yourself down as an employee and pay yourself your own
> desired wage
> and it's legal. So not only am I making a profit from selling used CDs
> I'm also
> paying myself to sell them back to the customers. When I pay $3.00 for
> used
> CDs, that comes out of my pocket. Not the store's cash register. And
> yes that's
> legal. If you sell your own personal items in a yard sale do turn it
> in on your
> taxes? If you bought a CD and then sold it for twice what you paid for
> it on
> eBay, do you turn it in on your taxes? No. It's legal and it is pure
> profit."
>
> Yes, folks, this is the method devised by AJ which explain how he
> amassed his fortune. And all it took was sitting behind a register,
> trolling Usenet, and a little bit 'o Pure Profit!
>
> El Jefe

And you still don't understand it, mock it, and are still working for
someone else. 14 years later I'm still in business and still going
strong. It's true what they say, "he who laughs last, laughs best,"
and I'm laughing all the way to the bank every week. Success is the
best revenge. Even as I type this post, I'm getting paid. What have
you done lately?
FVH
2011-07-08 20:21:19 UTC
Permalink
I can't speak for Jefe, but I can tell you that unlike you I actually work
while I'm at my job. And while at work, I can take time to make fun of you,
and I'm getting paid to do so. Psst, no one is jealous of "your" piss ant
store--anyone can do what you do, and do a better job of it.

LOVE how you're constantly trying to compete with Jefe and I. Shows just how
insecure you truly are, fat fuck.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

"AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b0eac337-d85d-4718-99d6-***@u42g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
And you still don't understand it, mock it, and are still working for
someone else. 14 years later I'm still in business and still going
strong. It's true what they say, "he who laughs last, laughs best,"
and I'm laughing all the way to the bank every week. Success is the
best revenge. Even as I type this post, I'm getting paid. What have
you done lately?
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-08 22:02:51 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 8, 1:21 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
> I can't speak for Jefe, but I can tell you that unlike you I actually work
> while I'm at my job. And while at work, I can take time to make fun of you,
> and I'm getting paid to do so.

I also actually work while...working. Weird, huh? But I enjoy what I
do so much, it rarely ever feels like work. There are stressful
moments, but overall it's just fun. And I've had mostly great bosses
and co-workers. I can only guess that Triple Stack's surly personality
has gotten him into trouble at other jobs, hence his obsession with
not working for anyone else.

> Psst, no one is jealous of "your" piss ant
> store--anyone can do what you do, and do a better job of it.

True enough. By his own admission, what he does isn't hard. And it
isn't. I was doing what he does as a teenager. His only claim is being
the owner of his store, but like you said, those people are a dime a
dozen. Cool if you can do it, but it doesn't make you special.

> LOVE how you're constantly trying to compete with Jefe and I. Shows just how
> insecure you truly are, fat fuck.

For someone who has no time for trolls, he certainly is willing to
drop the pants and see who has the biggest dick at a moment's notice,
isn't he?

Well, that's not entirely correct. We know that Grape Ape can't see
his own feet, let alone his schlong...

El Jefe
FVH
2011-07-09 19:14:05 UTC
Permalink
"Busboy Jefe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:7ecb07c8-76c5-4ae2-ad65-***@j15g2000yqf.googlegroups.com...
> I also actually work while...working. Weird, huh? But I enjoy what I
do so much, it rarely ever feels like work. There are stressful
moments, but overall it's just fun. And I've had mostly great bosses
and co-workers. I can only guess that Triple Stack's surly personality
has gotten him into trouble at other jobs, hence his obsession with
not working for anyone else.

What a concept--working WHILE at work. I have a great job too. I've got a
lot of freedom to do whatever I want, as long as I do the work required of
me. No boss constantly over my shoulder or anything like that. And I'm with
you on having great co-workers. I still have friends from jobs I had a
decade ago.

I think Killer is also too stupid to work any other job than sitting behind
a register. There's nothing wrong with working in retail--I just find it
funny that he boasts about being rich and powerful, but in REALITY he's just
a fat monkey behind a cash register.

> True enough. By his own admission, what he does isn't hard. And it
isn't. I was doing what he does as a teenager. His only claim is being
the owner of his store, but like you said, those people are a dime a
dozen. Cool if you can do it, but it doesn't make you special.

I mock him about the simplicity of his job because a) it's nothing special
and b) he's not very good at this simple job. Again, it goes back to him
insisting he's smart, yet he can't execute simple retail math.

> For someone who has no time for trolls, he certainly is willing to
drop the pants and see who has the biggest dick at a moment's notice, isn't
he?

He needs to do that to prop himself up. He needs to have this fantasy that
he's somehow better than you and I. Notice he gets uncomfortable when I, or
anyone, confront him about reality. That tells you all you need to know
about his low self esteem.

> Well, that's not entirely correct. We know that Grape Ape can't see
his own feet, let alone his schlong...

As long as his Klondike friend continues to touch it, Humpty doesn't feel
the need to see it.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
AJ
2011-07-08 22:03:19 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 8, 3:21 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
> I can't speak for Jefe, but I can tell you that unlike you I actually work
> while I'm at my job. And while at work, I can take time to make fun of you,
> and I'm getting paid to do so. Psst, no one is jealous of "your" piss ant
> store--anyone can do what you do, and do a better job of it.


BS.

> LOVE how you're constantly trying to compete with Jefe and I. Shows just how
> insecure you truly are, fat fuck.


How how he or you bring it up and if I dare respond to it, I'm the one
bragging or competitive.
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-08 22:09:12 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 8, 3:03 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 3:21 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
>
> > I can't speak for Jefe, but I can tell you that unlike you I actually work
> > while I'm at my job. And while at work, I can take time to make fun of you,
> > and I'm getting paid to do so. Psst, no one is jealous of "your" piss ant
> > store--anyone can do what you do, and do a better job of it.
>
> BS.

You yourself said what you do isn't hard. And it isn't. I did
everything you do as a teenager. Dude, you ring people up at a
register and alphabetize CDs. You're not changing the world.

> How how he or you bring it up and if I dare respond to it,

Huh?

> I'm the one bragging or competitive.

You're competitive, hence the "what have you done lately" line you've
been spewing for years. And you're in here bragging about your
"vacations" to the local Holiday Inn and buffet constantly.

El Jefe
AJ
2011-07-09 15:08:41 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 8, 5:09 pm, Busboy Jefe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 3:03 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 8, 3:21 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
>
> > > I can't speak for Jefe, but I can tell you that unlike you I actually work
> > > while I'm at my job. And while at work, I can take time to make fun of you,
> > > and I'm getting paid to do so. Psst, no one is jealous of "your" piss ant
> > > store--anyone can do what you do, and do a better job of it.
>
> > BS.
>
> You yourself said what you do isn't hard. And it isn't. I did
> everything you do as a teenager. Dude, you ring people up at a
> register and alphabetize CDs. You're not changing the world.
>
> > How how he or you bring it up and if I dare respond to it,
>
> Huh?
>
> > I'm the one bragging or competitive.
>
> You're competitive, hence the "what have you done lately" line you've
> been spewing for years. And you're in here bragging about your
> "vacations" to the local Holiday Inn and buffet constantly.
>
> El Jefe

You act like being competitive is a bad thing. Being that way is what
got me ahead in life. And I never mentioned the Holiday Inn or
buffets, but I did mention private resorts. So again, what you wrote
is nothing more than a lie.
FVH
2011-07-09 19:20:55 UTC
Permalink
"AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:7a353446-68c9-4b7e-815d-***@q1g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
> You act like being competitive is a bad thing.

It's not a bad thing. However, when you are competing to "one up" people
you've never met, and all over words on a screen, that's comedy!

> Being that way is what got me ahead in life.

No, being that way is what makes people laugh at you, Pop n Fresh. Think
about it.

> And I never mentioned the Holiday Inn or buffets, but I did mention
> private resorts. So again, what you wrote is nothing more than a lie.

Of course you're going to say you vactioned at a "private resort" because
you have to make yourself out to be something you're not. It's like when you
claimed to have Gene's cell phone number. You're trying too hard to impress
those you look up to, fatso.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
AJ
2011-07-09 20:27:59 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 9, 2:20 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
> "AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7a353446-68c9-4b7e-815d-***@q1g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
>
> > You act like being competitive is a bad thing.
>
> It's not a bad thing. However, when you are competing to "one up" people
> you've never met, and all over words on a screen, that's comedy!


And you just described 100% of what you try to do here every day.
FVH
2011-07-09 20:41:35 UTC
Permalink
Trolling you isn't "one upping", Professor. Yet another word you don't
understand. It's funny that you have no idea how incredibly dumb you are,
fat ass.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db

"AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:dfdec080-6d9a-490d-92a2-***@v7g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 9, 2:20 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
> "AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:7a353446-68c9-4b7e-815d-***@q1g2000vbj.googlegroups.com...
>
> > You act like being competitive is a bad thing.
>
> It's not a bad thing. However, when you are competing to "one up" people
> you've never met, and all over words on a screen, that's comedy!


And you just described 100% of what you try to do here every day.
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-09 21:11:24 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 9, 8:08 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:

> You act like being competitive is a bad thinng.

No, being competitive isn't a bad thing...within reason. But why would
you want to compete with people you claim mean nothing to you and that
you don't even know other than by a screen name? That's a sign of deep
insecurity.

El Jefe
AJ
2011-07-09 16:38:43 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 8, 5:09 pm, Busboy Jefe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 3:03 pm, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Jul 8, 3:21 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
>
> > > I can't speak for Jefe, but I can tell you that unlike you I actually work
> > > while I'm at my job. And while at work, I can take time to make fun of you,
> > > and I'm getting paid to do so. Psst, no one is jealous of "your" piss ant
> > > store--anyone can do what you do, and do a better job of it.
>
> > BS.
>
> You yourself said what you do isn't hard. And it isn't. I did
> everything you do as a teenager. Dude, you ring people up at a
> register and alphabetize CDs. You're not changing the world.


LOL! There's a hell of a lot more to it than just that. And like I've
said before, this isn't all I do to earn an income. Again, I own and
rent homes and property. I'm a freelance photographer. I have
contracts with many of the different surrounding schools that pay very
well to shoot all their students for yearbook annuals, events, and
each kid on a sports team. I'm so booked to photograph many weddings
this summer that I've actually had to start turning people down for
their weddings and other events. Plus I own my own warehouse that
I've turned into a photo studio to shoot scheduled appointments with
clients that want more glamorous or intimate settings with quality
backdrops or props. And no I don't shoot any pornography. I could on
about the many other things I do, but that's enough for now.
FVH
2011-07-09 19:30:43 UTC
Permalink
"AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:9767d1fd-ac23-46af-a63f-***@t5g2000yqj.googlegroups.com...
> LOL! There's a hell of a lot more to it than just that.

No there isn't. You own a small, piss ant record store (or so you
claim)--you're not doing anything remarkable or something remarkable.
Besides, you're not smart enough to do anything but sit your fat ass behind
a register. In fact, a good small record store owner, who's there open to
close, wouldn't need "help". He/she could do it all by themselves, with no
problem. You clearly have a lot of free time on your hands, surely you can
take 5-10 minutes out of your trolling to help someone buy the new Lady Gaga
CD or do inventory. It's not like you have anything else to do.

> And like I've said before, this isn't all I do to earn an income. Again,
> I own and
rent homes and property. I'm a freelance photographer. I have
contracts with many of the different surrounding schools that pay very
well to shoot all their students for yearbook annuals, events, and
each kid on a sports team. I'm so booked to photograph many weddings
this summer that I've actually had to start turning people down for
their weddings and other events. Plus I own my own warehouse that
I've turned into a photo studio to shoot scheduled appointments with
clients that want more glamorous or intimate settings with quality
backdrops or props. And no I don't shoot any pornography. I could on
about the many other things I do, but that's enough for now.

There you go trying to compete with your online "enemies" again. The reality
is you have a camera, have taken a photography class or two, and you call
yourself a "freelance photographer". That's like the waitress in LA who's in
community theater calling herself an "aspiring actor". LOL! I love how
you're constantly trying to make yourself out to be more than you really
are.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
FVH
2011-07-09 19:16:05 UTC
Permalink
"AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:86de7c9a-9be4-441d-8031-***@l18g2000yql.googlegroups.com...
On Jul 8, 3:21 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
> I can't speak for Jefe, but I can tell you that unlike you I actually work
> while I'm at my job. And while at work, I can take time to make fun of
> you,
> and I'm getting paid to do so. Psst, no one is jealous of "your" piss ant
> store--anyone can do what you do, and do a better job of it.

BS.

Psst, I've done your job before, and I did it a hell of a lot better than
you ever have, elephant dung. Your job is incredibly easy. There's nothing
to it.

> How how he or you bring it up and if I dare respond to it, I'm the one
> bragging or competitive.

I'd love to answer whatever it is you're trying to spew, but I need you to
use English to do so.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-08 21:53:09 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 8, 11:27 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:

> And you still don't understand it, mock it,

Looking back, it's clear that NO ONE here understood it...because you
made no sense. The discussions people have had here about your "plan"
were hilarious. Hate to beak it to you, Deep Dish, but YOU are the one
who didn't and still doesn't understand.

> and are still working for someone else.

This is one of my favorite memes of yours. Why you look down on people
who work for others is beyond me. Maybe you're just a horrible, lazy
employee and your previous bosses ripped you for it? Based on what you
post, your "store" wouldn't survive a week without your employees,
given that you give them all the tasks while you spend your "working"
time on Usenet trolling.

> 14 years later I'm still in business and still going
> strong.  It's true what they say, "he who laughs last, laughs best,"
> and I'm laughing all the way to the bank every week.  Success is the
> best revenge.

Revenge against...who? Those kids that used to beat the snot out of
you for wearing your Kiss shirt? Did "Popaw" used to molest you or
something? Revenge against me? FVH? Steve?

> Even as I type this post, I'm getting paid. What have
> you done lately?

You got paid $8 an hour to troll on the internet. Consider me
impressed. *cough*

What have I done lately? Do you really want a detailed list?

El Jefe
AJ
2011-07-09 15:40:33 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 8, 4:53 pm, Busboy Jefe <***@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 8, 11:27 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > And you still don't understand it, mock it,
>
> Looking back, it's clear that NO ONE here understood it...because you
> made no sense. The discussions people have had here about your "plan"
> were hilarious. Hate to beak it to you, Deep Dish, but YOU are the one
> who didn't and still doesn't understand.


I understand that you take it out of context, twist it, and take it
literally. I understand my phrase "pure profit" was taken literally.
Even though I really didn't mean I was actually making 100% pure
profit, but just using the phrase in a humorous or sarcastic way years
ago.

> > and are still working for someone else.
>
> This is one of my favorite memes of yours. Why you look down on people
> who work for others is beyond me. Maybe you're just a horrible, lazy
> employee and your previous bosses ripped you for it? Based on what you
> post, your "store" wouldn't survive a week without your employees,
> given that you give them all the tasks while you spend your "working"
> time on Usenet trolling.

Not true, but I really don't expect you to understand how a business
is ran since you have no experience of doing it yourself. Your post
above shows you are content, or have settled for less and aren't able
or even motivated to better yourself. Plus you fail to see or realize
I'm so organized I run a tight ship and have everything in order,
After 14 years (and still going) of owning my own business, I've got
it down.

>
> > 14 years later I'm still in business and still going
> > strong.  It's true what they say, "he who laughs last, laughs best,"
> > and I'm laughing all the way to the bank every week.  Success is the
> > best revenge.
>
> Revenge against...who?

People like you that think you're smarter and get on your high horse
to put other people down and have done nothing to show for their own
lives, In real life, I'm not a snob at all, but if anyone thinks they
can belittle what I've worked for, I'll shove my success down your
throat. Because, unlike you, I've earned it, put in the hours, and
own it. I work 60 - 80 hours a week. Not because I have to, because I
want to. What pisses me off is, I have to actually sleep at some
point and I can't be awake all the time to make even more money during
those hours I'm sleeping.

> Those kids that used to beat the snot out of
> you for wearing your Kiss shirt? Did "Popaw" used to molest you or
> something? Revenge against me? FVH? Steve?

No, no, and no.
>
> > Even as I type this post, I'm getting paid. What have
> > you done lately?
>
> You got paid $8 an hour to troll on the internet. Consider me
> impressed. *cough*

LOL! A hell of a lot more than that.
>
> What have I done lately? Do you really want a detailed list?

Pick oranges up, place in bag, stand on corner, yell at passing cars,
wait till one stops, haggle for $2.00, hand them bag of oranges. What
a life.

Dude, you can come here and hide behind your screen and type all the
bullshit you want. In the real world, you're just a punk to me running
your mouth and has nothing to show for his life. Even if we were best
friends, you couldn't even afford to travel with me.
FVH
2011-07-09 19:34:09 UTC
Permalink
"AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:efe052be-03b4-4100-b90c-***@w4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...
> I understand that you take it out of context, twist it, and take it
literally. I understand my phrase "pure profit" was taken literally.
Even though I really didn't mean I was actually making 100% pure
profit, but just using the phrase in a humorous or sarcastic way years ago.

> Not true, but I really don't expect you to understand how a business
is ran since you have no experience of doing it yourself. Your post
above shows you are content, or have settled for less and aren't able
or even motivated to better yourself. Plus you fail to see or realize
I'm so organized I run a tight ship and have everything in order,
After 14 years (and still going) of owning my own business, I've got it
down.

Psst, when you're constantly telling others they "don't get it" or
"understand" they're not the problem. Think about it.

> People like you that think you're smarter and get on your high horse
to put other people down and have done nothing to show for their own
lives, In real life, I'm not a snob at all, but if anyone thinks they
can belittle what I've worked for, I'll shove my success down your
throat. Because, unlike you, I've earned it, put in the hours, and
own it. I work 60 - 80 hours a week. Not because I have to, because I
want to. What pisses me off is, I have to actually sleep at some
point and I can't be awake all the time to make even more money during
those hours I'm sleeping.

LOL! I love how you're insanely jealous of Jefe. Deny it all you want, but
the above CLEARLY shows you are. It's also funny how insanely jealous you
are of FVH. Priceless.

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
AJ
2011-07-09 20:32:14 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 9, 2:34 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
> "AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:efe052be-03b4-4100-b90c-***@w4g2000yqm.googlegroups.com...> I understand that you take it out of context, twist it, and take it
>
> literally. I understand my phrase "pure profit" was taken literally.
> Even though I really didn't mean I was actually making 100% pure
> profit, but just using the phrase in a humorous or sarcastic way years ago.
>
> > Not true, but I really don't expect you to understand how a business
>
> is ran since you have no experience of doing it yourself. Your post
> above shows you are content, or have settled for less and aren't able
> or even motivated to better yourself. Plus you fail to see or realize
> I'm so organized I run a tight ship and have everything in order,
> After 14 years (and still going) of owning my own business, I've got it
> down.
>
> Psst, when you're constantly telling others they "don't get it" or
> "understand" they're not the problem. Think about it.
>
> > People like you that think you're smarter and get on your high horse
>
> to put other people down and have done nothing to show for their own
> lives, In real life, I'm not a snob at all, but if anyone thinks they
> can belittle what I've worked for, I'll shove my success down your
> throat.  Because, unlike you, I've earned it, put in the hours, and
> own it. I work 60 - 80 hours a week. Not because I have to, because I
> want to.  What pisses me off is, I have to actually sleep at some
> point and I can't be awake all the time to make even more money during
> those hours I'm sleeping.
>
> LOL! I love how you're insanely jealous of Jefe. Deny it all you want, but
> the above CLEARLY shows you are. It's also funny how insanely jealous you
> are of FVH. Priceless.


It's even funnier how you misinterpret and desperately try to twist
everything I say. I have and can continue to prove and back up who I
am and what I do. You can't. Nuff said.
FVH
2011-07-09 20:48:28 UTC
Permalink
"AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
news:a161b524-faef-4481-b66e-***@b39g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
> It's even funnier how you misinterpret and desperately try to twist
> everything I say.

Ah yes, the tired "misinterpret and twist" card you constantly play. I
understood your attempts to boost your low self esteem completely. I guess
you're getting confused by your own words--again. Damn, you are DUMB, and
incredibly fat.

> I have and can continue to prove and back up who I am and what I do.

No you haven't. All you've done is make silly claims (lies) in here. If
anything, you've proven yourself to be a liar and insanely jealous of Jefe
and me.

> You can't. Nuff said.

Sure I can, but I'm not going to give a creepy online stalker any personal
info, and that greatly bothers you. You can't "crack the FVH code" and that
EATS at you. LOL!!!

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
AJ
2011-07-09 21:22:09 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 9, 3:48 pm, "FVH" <***@internettoughguy.com> wrote:
> "AJ" <***@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:a161b524-faef-4481-b66e-***@b39g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > It's even funnier how you misinterpret and desperately try to twist
> > everything I say.
>
> Ah yes, the tired "misinterpret and twist" card you constantly play. I
> understood your attempts to boost your low self esteem completely. I guess
> you're getting confused by your own words--again. Damn, you are DUMB, and
> incredibly fat.
>
> > I have and can continue to prove and back up who I am and what I do.
>
> No you haven't. All you've done is make silly claims (lies) in here. If
> anything, you've proven yourself to be a liar and insanely jealous of Jefe
> and me.
>
> > You can't. Nuff said.
>
> Sure I can, but I'm not going to give a creepy online stalker any personal
> info, and that greatly bothers you. You can't "crack the FVH code" and that
> EATS at you. LOL!!!


Already did. You're just a fat lonely Latino that logs onto the
Internet and types on his keyboard. Nothing more. I piss you off so
much, you tried to get my site shutdown, you deleted all your FB,
Myspace, Youtube, and other sites down as soon as I posted the links
to them here. You reported me to photobucket and made them remove the
pic I have of you that I copied from your own Twitter page. LOL!

Again I ask, if there is another Jarid Jones in this NG from Garland,
TX, please come forth now. No one? Didn't think so.
Busboy Jefe
2011-07-09 21:22:04 UTC
Permalink
On Jul 9, 8:40 am, AJ <***@aol.com> wrote:

>  I understand that you take it out of context, twist it, and take it
> literally. I understand my phrase "pure profit" was taken literally.

I quoted your own words. I guess that means they were twisted to begin
with...

> Even though I really didn't mean I was actually making 100% pure
> profit, but just using the phrase in a humorous or sarcastic way years
> ago.

Your own Pure Profit explanation betrays the lie you're trying to pass
off now.


> Not true, but I really don't expect you to understand how a business
> is ran since you have no experience of doing it yourself.

News flash: one can learn a lot by observing.

> Your post above shows you are content

Yes indeed, I am content. I'm sorry you're not...but I guess it'd be
hard to when, despite trying to pass yourself off as some great
entrepreneur, you look in the mirror every day and realize that you
just jockey a register.

> or have settled for less and aren't able
> or even motivated to better yourself. Plus you fail to see or realize
> I'm so organized I run a tight ship and have everything in order,
> After 14 years (and still going) of owning my own business, I've got
> it down.

What you do isn't difficult, Deep Dish. Get over yourself. And don't
forget to thank the government for all of its help.

> People like you that think you're smarter and get on your high horse
> to put other people down and have done nothing to show for their own
> lives, In real life, I'm not a snob at all, but if anyone thinks they
> can belittle what I've worked for, I'll shove my success down your
> throat.  Because, unlike you, I've earned it, put in the hours, and
> own it.

You don't know anything about what I do. Your stalker fantasies about
who El Jefe is are waay off base, BibenDumb.

> I work 60 - 80 hours a week. Not because I have to, because I
> want to.  What pisses me off is, I have to actually sleep at some
> point and I can't be awake all the time to make even more money during
> those hours I'm sleeping.

Perhaps you should stop going to the Holiday Inn so often. Work more
and work harder, you welfare leech.

> LOL!  A hell of a lot more than that.

OK, OK...$8.50

> Pick oranges up, place in bag, stand on corner, yell at passing cars,
> wait till one stops, haggle for $2.00, hand them bag of oranges.  What
> a life.

I love that you base your entire premise about me on my screen name.
=D

> Dude, you can come here and hide behind your screen and type all the
> bullshit you want. In the real world, you're just a punk to me running
> your mouth and has nothing to show for his life.  Even if we were best
> friends, you couldn't even afford to travel with me.

And to me, you're just a fat, dumb redneck who overcompensates for
having grown up poor and friendless. And in more ways than one, you
still *are* poor.

Let me know when you want to hit a high class Vegas establishment,
dude...I'll do you a favor and comp ya. You'd need the help.

El Jefe
FVH
2011-07-09 19:03:12 UTC
Permalink
"Busboy Jefe" <***@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1bef1ff3-0fc9-426f-9213-***@g2g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> Looking back, it's clear that NO ONE here understood it...because you
made no sense. The discussions people have had here about your "plan"
were hilarious. Hate to beak it to you, Deep Dish, but YOU are the one
who didn't and still doesn't understand.

Funny how Killer seems to be the only person that understands the shit he
spews in here. Ever notice that he's always telling others "you don't get
it" or "you missed the point"? There's a reason no one "gets his points".

> This is one of my favorite memes of yours. Why you look down on people
who work for others is beyond me. Maybe you're just a horrible, lazy
employee and your previous bosses ripped you for it? Based on what you
post, your "store" wouldn't survive a week without your employees,
given that you give them all the tasks while you spend your "working"
time on Usenet trolling.

It's him always feeling the need to compete with his online "enemies". He
HAS to paint a pciture that he's somehow "above" his "enemies" to make his
life, in his fat eyes, seem meaningful. It's all about him propping himself
up in a failed attempt to make himself seem "better" than his "enemies".

> Revenge against...who? Those kids that used to beat the snot out of
you for wearing your Kiss shirt? Did "Popaw" used to molest you or
something? Revenge against me? FVH? Steve?

Yep, this NG is a war in his fat eyes. He's constantly babbling about
"winning the battle", "getting revenge", and trying to "unite his troops"
all in a failed attempt to "get" you and me. It's SO funny watching him try
SO hard to be the big man in the room (and I'm not talking about his gut),
yet constantly coming out as the whiny, ultra sensitive bitch he truly is.
LOL!!!

Hi, Killer! Hope you enjoyed reading this post!
FVH
Laughter is an emotion-Professor AJ Johnson, channeling his feminine
feelings.
You wrongfully misinterpreting another post noted.-AJ, English major
And you've never understood how us Americans use figure of speech in
our everyday language.-AJ aka Cap't Grammar
I love how people like you consternate so much time and effort-
Professor AJ Johnson.
10 years ago your posts were better written and your grammar was
better than what they are now.-AJ.
Yeah it would be hard to imagine millions of new jobs and a tough
bitch that wouldn't take any shit instead of a loser that bows to any
lesser I wouldn't waste my time spitting on.-AJ, political expert
Pssst. Obama has been president for 7 years and you suck at math.-AJ,
2009
I'd rather speak American.-AJ, language expert
LOL! I doubt imergration is reading your posts.-Speeling bea
chaump, AJ.
Dance, essay-AJ, El Baboso
McCain wins 2008 Election.This is what will be printed on every
newspaper next week. Wait and see.-AJ, proving that he's an idiot.
our new commander and chief.- AJ, talking politics.
Stadiums have no walls!- AJ
*Geeks with key boards aren't intimidating.-AJ
You made a boneheaded 'observation' about Ace, and you're a fool.
That's pretty much it.- Hidell, making a brilliant point about AJ.
Twinkle Toes Stanley hadn't quite picked up that Lick It Up/
Heaven's On Fire half a ballerina dance that he does.- db
How many times can the Greed Twins milk a cow? As many times as the
sheep will let them.-db
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